General Anyone using the MMR Performance Lifetime Oil Change Service Kit for the BMW B58 / B57?

[TheDocAUS]

In the Kit is a magnetic oil sump plug, Billet Oil Filter Housing and a reusable stainless steel oil filter. Details here.

The OEM oil filter had had a reputation for failing, when used in BMW models. FYI: INEOS Part numbers for the diesel motor here.

Other kits just have just the stainless steel oil filter. I cannot see any discussion of the product.

I have bought the Kit and I am keen to use the magnetic oil sump plug and the Billet Oil Filter Housing, not sure about the filter just yet. In the past I successfully used a stainless steel filter in a Provent 200 catch can (obviously a very different use).

EDIT:
NOT USING MMR KIT FOR TIME BEING
After looking closely at the MMR oil filter and the oil cap, there are differences between these products and the OEM product.

The OEM filter cap has a Filter bypass valve (integrated into the oil filter cover) which I cannot see on the MMR oil cap. There is more research to do.

Because of the differences in design of both the MMR oil filter and the cap I will not be using the Kit until further work is undertaken. It is better to be safe than sorry.

I would NOT recommend the Kit at this time.

 

[Tazzieman]

Aren't magnetic plugs standard on modern cars?

 

[TheDocAUS]

No idea if the INEOS has a magnetic sump plug.

I know the oil cap is not billet aluminum and the paper oil filter used in the BMW motor does not have a great reputation. So I bought the kit and will start with the sump plug and the oil cover. I would like some feedback on the stainless steel filter before I use that.

 

[[ Adam ]]

Curious whether using this filter element would void your warranty

 

[DenisM]

No idea if the INEOS has a magnetic sump plug.

I know the oil cap is not billet aluminum and the paper oil filter used in the BMW motor does not have a great reputation. So I bought the kit and will start with the sump plug and the oil cover. I would like some feedback on the stainless steel filter before I use that.

Hi @TheDocAUS ...where did you get the "reputation" data on the standard issue BMW oil filter?

 

[Jiman01]

Curious whether using this filter element would void your warranty

Not here in the US under the Magnuson Moss Act:

Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act (MMWA)

The Magnuson Moss Warranty Act (MMWA) prevents manufacturers from using disclaimers on warranties in an unfair or misleading manner.

www.autocare.org

But I’d definitely do research to ensure the filter has the same or better particulate filtration (micron) than OEM.

I’ve used a different brand (Scotts) SS reusable filter in my motorcycles for more than 20yrs total. The research I did showed it filtered to a smaller micron size and had more surface area for flow.

I hadn’t really seen these kinds of filters offered for cars/trucks before….gonna have to check these guys out.

 

[Eric]

Curious whether using this filter element would void your warranty

If there was an engine failure in any way associated with oil circulation/pressure I would expect that would be grounds to void the warranty

 

[Jiman01]

If there was an engine failure in any way associated with oil circulation/pressure I would expect that would be grounds to void the warranty

Yes, possibly…it is the responsibility of the dealer/manufacturer to prove that whatever aftermarket part used caused the damage/repair (In the US).

I have been comfortable using aftermarket filters, oil, etc…as long as it meets or exceeds the OEM requirements. Knock on wood, I’ve never had any issues….YMMV

 

[[ Adam ]]

It's not clear that this filter meets or exceeds the spec, hence my comment.

 

[Jiman01]

I found these guys and they appear to have a pretty good track record, but I have not contacted them since they don’t have BMW vehicles as an option

Shop - PurePower!

Shop at PurePower!, home of the original Lifetime Oil Filter.

www.gopurepower.com

 

[TheDocAUS]

Thanks for the points raised.

I am also looking at third party filter suppliers who filters do not have a reputation for filters that can fall to pieces.

 

[TheDocAUS]

Hi @TheDocAUS ...where did you get the "reputation" data on the standard issue BMW oil filter?

I have read about it on a few BMW sites, when I was researching the motor used in the INEOS. It is no secret. I think the INEOS is using the BMW OEM filter, but have not confirmed it as yet.

My short term solution was to change oil every 5 or 7.500 kms - not 15.000km. So less chance of the oil filter failing (what a disaster a filter failure would be). Sourcing a third party filter was another option like a Ryco or Sakura.

Video here as an example:

View: https://youtu.be/ktfBAlTT9hE

 

[NQ94]

The company claims a rating of around 20 micron the average paper element filter has between 25 to 35 micron absolute rating. It is difficult to find if the MMR filter rating is an absolute or a nominal rating. These filters look very similar in construction to high pressure hydraulic filters that are generally discarded every service. Some large specialised filters do get sent to independent companies with a controlled filter washing process. The biggest concern would be with how the end user cleans and dries the filter and how much contamination is introduced to the cleaned filtered oil side of the media that can be pushed through the engine at start up. Most filter medias can easily get unnoticeable damaged with excessive air pressure or poor cleaning techniques.

 

[TheDocAUS]

The MMR Stainless Steel Oil filter says it filters down to 20 microns, but it does not give the efficiency figure at 20 microns.

The company claims a rating of around 20 micron the average paper element filter has between 25 to 35 micron absolute rating. It is difficult to find if the MMR filter rating is an absolute or a nominal rating. These filters look very similar in construction to high pressure hydraulic filters that are generally discarded every service. Some large specialised filters do get sent to independent companies with a controlled filter washing process. The biggest concern would be with how the end user cleans and dries the filter and how much contamination is introduced to the cleaned filtered oil side of the media that can be pushed through the engine at start up. Most filter medias can easily get unnoticeable damaged with excessive air pressure or poor cleaning techniques.

MMR does state how the filter should be cleaned and gives some advice on how to avoid damage with too much air pressure.

 

[DenisM]

I'll "poke my head above the parapet" and suggest that the local Ryco 2808P which claims 30micron /98.7% efficiency might be a suitable alternative ---change every 6000km. It's applicable to all BMW series fitted with B57/B58 engines as well as the Mini...
Note also here the importance of maintaining absolute cleanliness in terms of the air filter especially when encountering the fine silica dust of the Australian deserts and the alumina dust of the Cape York region where the particles are often below 10 micron! Can't afford for the dust to get into the lube system...

 

[TheDocAUS]

I'll "poke my head above the parapet" and suggest that the local Ryco 2808P which claims 30micron /98.7% efficiency might be a suitable alternative ---change every 6000km. It's applicable to all BMW series fitted with B57/B58 engines as well as the Mini...
Note also here the importance of maintaining absolute cleanliness in terms of the air filter especially when encountering the fine silica dust of the Australian deserts and the alumina dust of the Cape York region where the particles are often below 10 micron! Can't afford for the dust to get into the lube system...

Thanks. It will be added to my list of options.

The image of the Ryco 2808P filter is slightly different to the BMW version. The protrusion at the top, so I will need to check with Repco:

 

[stickshifter]

Hi @TheDocAUS ...where did you get the "reputation" data on the standard issue BMW oil filter?

Reviewers generally agree that the B58 is a reliable engine, but it does have some known problems (as do most engines). Here are some sources (with links) that describe the most common problems with the B58 - including the oil filter issue.

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NHTSA Bulletin

I'm going to start with a Service Information Bulletin (SIB) from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) - a branch of the U.S. federal government, found here: https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2021/MC-10199292-9999.pdf

This document contains a description of the oil filter problem, and instructions for how to deal with it.



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The 5 Most Common B58 Engine Problems​

With the BMW B58 3.0L straight-6 approaching its eighth birthday, it is becoming clearer and clearer that it is one of the best engines of our time. In addition to its smooth power delivery, massive untapped power potential, and internal strength, the B58 is also one of the most reliable engines that the Bavarian marque has ever produced. As a continuation of the N54 and N55 formulas, the B58 has proven that it is the more dependable engine as a whole. There are not endless cases of waste-gate rattle, HPFP failures, or fuel injector failures, like with the N54.

With that being said, there are some shared issues between the three engines, like VANOS solenoid failure and oil filter issues. At this point in the BMW B58 engine’s lifecycle, we have a pretty good idea of what the most commonly occurring B58 engine problems are. In this guide, we’ll be covering the following B58 engine problems:

1. Coolant Consumption/Loss
2. Valve Cover Gasket
3. PCV Valve Failure
4. Oil Filter “Disintegrating”
5. VANOS Solenoids

Source: https://bmwtuning.co/the-5-most-common-bmw-b58-engine-problems/

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5 Common B58 Problems​

The B58 is a reliable engine not only by BMW standards but by international standards. It has a very good track record and is used in many different applications... Despite the B58’s impressive performance, there are some common problems that have been reported. Here are five of the most common B58 problems:

1. Oil Leaks
One of the most common problems with the B58 engine is oil leaks. These leaks can occur from a variety of places, including the oil filter housing, oil cooler, and cylinder head gasket. If you notice an oil leak, it is important to have it fixed as soon as possible to avoid damage to your engine.

2. Coolant Leaks
Coolant leaks are a known issue with the B58 engine. These leaks can occur from the water pump, thermostat housing, or cylinder head gasket. If you notice a coolant leak, it is important to have it fixed as soon as possible to avoid damage to your engine.

3. VANOS Solenoid
The VANOS system is responsible for varying the timing of the intake and exhaust valves. This allows the engine to run more efficiently at different RPM ranges. The VANOS solenoid is a common failure point on the B58 engine. If your engine is making strange noises or running rough, it could be due to a failed VANOS solenoid.

4. Valve Cover Gasket
Another common problem with the B58 engine is a leaking valve cover gasket. This gasket seals the area between the cylinder head and the valve cover. If it fails, oil can leak from the engine.

5. Oil Filter Disintegration
Last but not the least, the B58 engine can have a problem with oil filter disintegration. This can occur if the oil filter is not of high quality or if it is not replaced frequently enough. If your oil filter disintegrates, it can cause oil to leak from your engine.

Source: https://vehiclefreak.com/bmw-b58-engine-reliability-and-5-common-problems/

 

[stickshifter]

In the Kit is a magnetic oil sump plug, Billet Oil Filter Housing and a reusable stainless steel oil filter. Details here.

The OEM oil filter had had a reputation for failing, when used in BMW models. FYI: INEOS Part numbers for the diesel motor here.

Other kits just have just the stainless steel oil filter. I cannot see any discussion of the product.

I have bought the Kit and I am keen to use the magnetic oil sump plug and the Billet Oil Filter Housing, not sure about the filter just yet. In the past I successfully used a stainless steel filter in a Provent 200 catch can (obviously a very different use).

I like the idea in principle: less waste, less dependence on carrying a spare filter or looking for one in a remote location, and it eliminates the possibility of a disintegrating paper filter. But I'd want to talk to a BMW tech before I tried it, and someone involved in approving warranty work. I'd also want to know more about how to clean it. Seems like that might be a PIA, and if you don't clean it properly you'll be reintroducing some of the dirty oil and/or particulates you'd be discarding if you were using a disposable filter. If there is a lot of downtime associated with cleaning the stainless steel filter, and letting it dry (?) I'd look into getting two filters. The filter alone is just $68. Then you could do a quick oil change, swap in your clean filter, and drop the dirty filter into a bucket of cleaning solution / degreaser / soap and water - or whatever they recommend - but your Gren is ready to drive.

NOTE: this might be totally unrelated, but most mechanics disapprove of washable air filters, like the reusable K&N filters.

 

[TheDocAUS]

It is not exactly clear on BMW forums why it happens, But the consensus appears to be the filter does not disintegrate in use, but upon removal during an oil change. The filter sticks at the engine side and when turned to be removed, it disintegrates. It should not happen at all.

If I can get a better-quality third-party filter, I will. I would rather prevent the issue from arising. For me, it makes sense to have shorter oil change intervals, than the long period BMW suggests. Different motor altogether but I found 5,000km for the Nissan Patrol Diesel was too short and 10.000km too long (filter was dirty and contaminated). So I might start at 7.500km for the Grenadier, maybe even 5,000 for the first change only.

For the time being the stainless-steel oil filter will go into my remote spares kit.

 

[TheDocAUS]

Purnell Adventure email which arrived a few minutes ago states the following on service intervals:

INEOS AU recommend servicing your Grenadier every 15,000km or 12 months, whichever comes first. If you’re doing a lot of off-road driving and/or towing you should consider an interim 7,500km or six-month service.