Front differential, rear differential, and transfer case fluid levels

[Dokatd]

The amount of hyperbole in this thread is drowning out rational discourse. And I haven’t seen one single argument (logical or otherwise) for why we should ignore the guidance from Ineos shown here and substitute someone else’s untested, unproven “I’ve always done it this way” procedure.

I accord manufacturers a presumption of publishing good faith, well-researched and economically advantageous service specifications (for both the manufacturer and consumer). So the bar for ignoring them is pretty high.

Glen, nobody is making you ignore anything. Do it how you like.

But, there are already reports from multiple people across the globe including myself who have witnessed or been told directly that some if not most Ineos dealers fill to spill. That's not hyperbole, that's data.

The fact that the SST. Number is X'd out and dealers/service agents have had to cobble their own "tool" to measure the fluid suggest that Ineos doesn't seem to care enough or is simply ignoring the practices going on at their service centers.

And finally, do you really trust Ineos that much? Their engineers have botched so many things and continue to produce vehicles in new model years with the same issues. We have drive shafts melting down, diffs blowing up, diffs locking up randomly at high speed, seals leaking, roofs leaking, windows leaking, trucks filling up with water, software from hell etc etc. these are all things that were largely avoidable.

 

[Logsplitter]

Here’s another video that @Greasemonkey sent measured a link to

View: https://youtube.com/shorts/taiE-e2tkOY?si=YB5c79u_L6rY3TYy

 

[C-Mack]

Certainly different techs at different dealerships are using their preferred methods. In the video clip below at about the 7:00 mark the service manger at Warner in SLC explains the dip stick fill method. Do they do this on every vehicle serviced? Who knows but they took the time show it in a video for public consumption. Bottom line is use the method you are most comfortable with and at a minimum make sure you have specified 2.1L in there and move on with life.

View: https://youtu.be/VILo-z5jcEA?si=wtA4zQVo-f7c2xjn

 

[Dokatd]

Here’s another video that @Greasemonkey sent measured a link to

View: https://youtube.com/shorts/taiE-e2tkOY?si=YB5c79u_L6rY3TYy

That video is a click bait vid.

First he discusses the excess oil causing issue with the spider gears. These gears spin very little and slowly as a general rule. That's why they don't have roller bearings etc. So that statement is just BS

Then, leaving to litttle air in the diff causing excess pressure is another problematic suggestion. Diff housings are vented to atmosphere. They on average cannot hold pressure. Sure you can have a plugged vent but that's not an oil level issue.

There most certainly is a point where you can have too much oil. That's most certainly factual, but this particular video is just BS. And it's almost certainly a stolen video clip that was originally made to discuss differential function. Then an AI voice was tossed over to make this BS

 

[Dokatd]

Certainly different techs at different dealerships are using their preferred methods. In the video clip below at about the 7:00 mark the service manger at Warner in SLC explains the dip stick fill method. Do they do this on every vehicle serviced? Who knows but they took the time show it in a video for public consumption. Bottom line is use the method you are most comfortable with and at a minimum make sure you have specified 2.1L in there and move on with life.

View: https://youtu.be/VILo-z5jcEA?si=wtA4zQVo-f7c2xjn

Yup, totally agree!!

 

[Logsplitter]

Glen, nobody is making you ignore anything. Do it how you like.

But, there are already reports from multiple people across the globe including myself who have witnessed or been told directly that some if not most Ineos dealers fill to spill. That's not hyperbole, that's data.

The fact that the SST. Number is X'd out and dealers/service agents have had to cobble their own "tool" to measure the fluid suggest that Ineos doesn't seem to care enough or is simply ignoring the practices going on at their service centers.

And finally, do you really trust Ineos that much? Their engineers have botched so many things and continue to produce vehicles in new model years with the same issues. We have drive shafts melting down, diffs blowing up, diffs locking up randomly at high speed, seals leaking, roofs leaking, windows leaking, trucks filling up with water, software from hell etc etc. these are all things that were largely avoidable.

Could the dealers/service agents you are talking about be the cause of the problems you highlighted. “diffs blowing up, diffs locking up randomly at high speed, “
Certainly the agents I’ve used , use the correct amount of oil.

 

[landmannnn]

Certainly the agents I’ve used , use the correct amount of oil.

My experience too.

 

[Dokatd]

Could the dealers/service agents you are talking about be the cause of the problems you highlighted. “diffs blowing up, diffs locking up randomly at high speed, “
Certainly the agents I’ve used , use the correct amount of oil.

I have not heard of one locally. And mine hasn't had a single issue.

And how can you be certain about your agent? Though I tend to believe service centers in your neck of the woods are less cowboys than we have here in the states.

 

[Tenac]

I have not heard of one locally. And mine hasn't had a single issue.

And how can you be certain about your agent? Though I tend to believe service centers in your neck of the woods are less cowboys than we have here in the states.

This sounds just like the front drive shaft issues. lol I'm with you fluid changed twice thus far and no issues. I'm lifted my driveshaft did not decide to go on vacation yet either....

 

[landmannnn]

Though I tend to believe service centers in your neck of the woods are less cowboys than we have here in the states.

Not always, plenty of national chains employing oil covered teenagers with no skills.

Main dealers employ older people with clean workwear. Also with no skills.

 

[Tazzieman]

Main dealers employ older people with clean workwear. Also with no skills.

This is for @ Dokatd

 

[Jeremy996]

I have not heard of one locally. And mine hasn't had a single issue.

And how can you be certain about your agent? Though I tend to believe service centers in your neck of the woods are less cowboys than we have here in the states.

I know my agent is very careful, they're an agri-dealer with a car side hustle, they know my background and they know I check on stuff done. As retail dealers talk to each other, they also know I took the local VW dealer to Court and won, helped a friend get a settlement from a LR dealer, funded by JLR and used to run a motor project in the local area. It's a shame they decided not to take up a full dealership, but remain a service agent; they had very little success selling Grenadiers after the initial rush.