Stuck at Cape York

[TheDocAUS]

Bunnings looks like a good place to start. Maybe they can do a Tradies Choice snorkel for the Grenadier.
View attachment 7914990

How tempting.

 

[KristinaM]

@AUDIOBUS - That still seems pretty sketchy to do with the existing air induction assembly:

https://www.theineosforum.com/threa...ls-for-the-ig-and-qm.12420533/post-1333369891

 

[TheDocAUS]

I thought that this is the possible cause, if you have seen the shape of the air box leading to the filter box you'll understand that it has little chance of draining out.

Anyone can see, the various RAI are posted here by KristinaM, not exactly tight fitting craftsmanship. There is a bit of seal around the RAI - not what I would call watertight by any stretch:

 

[AUDIOBUS]

@AUDIOBUS - That still seems pretty sketchy to do with the existing air induction assembly:

https://www.theineosforum.com/threa...ls-for-the-ig-and-qm.12420533/post-1333369891

@KristinaM Yup. I agreee. As mentioned, poke holes in the idea! All I was suggesting was, if a CIPP (or other) type of liner between the outer RAI and the inner air box was cheap enough to do and simply gained someone time to correct for poor judgement or an accident, it might save an engine. It's not meant as a replacement for something like the GrenX product.

 

[Shopkeep]

Is there anything they don't sell these days?

The correct size bolt or nut you went there for?

 

[TheDocAUS]

The RAI has two advantages over no intake, besides the air being drawn from a higher position.

The snorkel has a raised lip that loosely fits into the fender opening (top arrow). Second, around the raised lip is a seal, not a great seal, but better than no seal (bottom arrow).

So the odds of the cars with a RAI were better than the one with no intake, when crossing that river. But I would not have crossed that river at that depth with the OEM RAI, period.

The RAI is upside down in this image.

 

[KristinaM]

The GrenX snorkel and sealed airbox for the Grenadier has the following structure:

 

[Dschubba]

Timber section for that cheap 4" lift?

Flip it 90 degrees for optional 2” lift

 

[Max]

I have been wondering where to put this to a good use and after reading on here, bingo and the light came on. Also

Tazzieman can now measure his lift.

 

[Logsplitter]

I was about to say BDSM stuff , but then realised they do.

I had to look that up Tazzieman. I must have led a sheltered life. You are an encyclopaedia of information.

 

[Tazzieman]

I had to look that up Tazzieman. I must have led a sheltered life. You are an encyclopaedia of information.

Yes, an aspiring polymath always packs 50 shades of variably useful/ useless knowledge

 

[MrMike]

There is always the plumbing isle, black paint and a bit of diy for the real budget conscious.

It's been done before

 

[HeavyFoot]

I have been wondering where to put this to a good use and after reading on here, bingo and the light came on. Also View attachment 7915003View attachment 7915004Tazzieman can now measure his lift.

This could have been useful during a certain river crossing. Perhaps they need to paint a line on the car. “No H2O above this line. Failure to follow will result in the irrational decision for many people online to suddenly not buy this vehicle.”

 

[globalgregors]

The RAI has two advantages over no intake, besides the air being drawn from a higher position.

The snorkel has a raised lip that loosely fits into the fender opening (top arrow). Second, around the raised lip is a seal, not a great seal, but better than no seal (bottom arrow).

So the odds of the cars with a RAI were better than the one with no intake, when crossing that river. But I would not have crossed that river at that depth with the OEM RAI, period.

The RAI is upside down in this image.

View attachment 7914999

Not sure who has had their airbox out before, but installation and removal involves a bit of articulation around the slightly ovoid connection to the RAI chamber.

This junction I reckon looks fine for.a bit of splashing in a well-paced crossing but most certainly not for sustained immersion.

On the other hand sealing (eg with Sikaflex) would make the airbox removal/installation a real headache.

It’s also not a rigid mount so I wonder whether making the junction fixed would pass mechanical stress onto the three plastics studs that the airbox mounts via.

 

[MrMike]

Not sure who has had their airbox out before, but installation and removal involves a bit of articulation around the slightly ovoid connection to the RAI chamber.

This junction I reckon looks fine for.a bit of splashing in a well-paced crossing but most certainly not for sustained immersion.

On the other hand sealing (eg with Sikaflex) would make the airbox removal/installation a real headache.

It’s also not a rigid mount so I wonder whether making the junction fixed would pass mechanical stress onto the three plastics studs that the airbox mounts via.

I removed my RAI a while ago, found water sitting in the bottom of it, it collects and holds it quite well, the section that is on the vehicle side has a "duck bill" valve to allow water to drain out. What I did notice is that that part is not sealed against the inside of the guard, so any attempt to seal the RAI from the outside is futile as it will leak from behind.

 

[Clark Kent]

The opening grille at the top is just a few cm away from the gutter capping. I've watched water enter the RAI from the gutter overflow while washing my vehicle. It's not a stretch to imagine rainwater pooling in the RAI and bottom of the air box if you're travelling in the tropics and get a good downpour overnight. The drain valve should take care of it.
A pre filter sock might be good for more than just dust.

 

[SeaMist]

First post - welcome to the forum. Shame you’re leaving so early.
Insurance are covering it, you should have watched the whole thing. It “may” be assumed it wasn’t a vehicle fault or warranty issue then??

EDITED ABOVE TO CLARIFY INEOS DIDN’T PAY.

Ring up Toyota or VW or Ford and ask if they’d have been so helpful in the same circumstances. I think you might end up putting a deposit down on a grenny after those calls.

I’m hoping. I did a detailed search on Grenadier engines failing and was unable to establish that it’s a problem. The video has been taken down and the relevant Australian facebook has turned toxic with accusations of deliberate untruths. I’ve got no idea myself. It would be useful for Ineos or someone who has actual facts to put out a statement. I loved my old defender but it was never the same after a certain Land Rover dealer butchered it.
I had a troopy after that that I loved too but unfortunately due to circumstances I had to sell it.
I’m missing a good 4wd and will definitely buy another when the time is right. The Troopy has a hilux engine in it. LR are a standing joke now when it comes to reliability…..too complex……Nissan has the warrior in Australia which is interesting but I’m more a worrier. I just like the look of the Grenadier. Looks like plenty of good places to mount my radios too. ( Amateur Radio Operator) Love the power to the roof. I think they could have had better isolation from the main battery to the secondary battery but at least there are two. The standard bullbar seems to be failing the kangaroo test but there are others.
Can you tell I’ve been obsessing? Which is why this story really threw me. I’m hoping the complete story emerges. The sooner the better.

 

[DaveB]

Is John Canny the de facto tour leader for that group ? Does he do these tours for his Utube channel ?

I think it is a typical ambitions and capabilities story

 

[DaveB]

Canny should have waited until it was resolved fully, agree this has given the brand and undeserved punch in the goollies.
Ineos Australia needs to get on top of this and advice what the actual failure was caused by, Canny and Arthur Know what caused it
Anyone who has been to the Cape knows what "environmental damage" means or is caused by up there!

Ineos and Ignition can’t comment due to confidentiality with the owner.
If it was an Ineos fault they would have moved quickly to cover it up.

 

[MrMike]

I’m hoping. I did a detailed search on Grenadier engines failing and was unable to establish that it’s a problem. The video has been taken down and the relevant Australian facebook has turned toxic with accusations of deliberate untruths. I’ve got no idea myself. It would be useful for Ineos or someone who has actual facts to put out a statement. I loved my old defender but it was never the same after a certain Land Rover dealer butchered it.
I had a troopy after that that I loved too but unfortunately due to circumstances I had to sell it.
I’m missing a good 4wd and will definitely buy another when the time is right. The Troopy has a hilux engine in it. LR are a standing joke now when it comes to reliability…..too complex……Nissan has the warrior in Australia which is interesting but I’m more a worrier. I just like the look of the Grenadier. Looks like plenty of good places to mount my radios too. ( Amateur Radio Operator) Love the power to the roof. I think they could have had better isolation from the main battery to the secondary battery but at least there are two. The standard bullbar seems to be failing the kangaroo test but there are others.
Can you tell I’ve been obsessing? Which is why this story really threw me. I’m hoping the complete story emerges. The sooner the better.

If one failure is concerning you I do think you are definitely a worrier. Plenty other makes have had similar issues.
You've done your research, all modern vehicles are by definition complex due to the safety and environmental regulations. We as first adopters put our "balls on the line" and for the majority of us, they are still there, warm and comfortable, feeling confident of the choice we made not to be ordinary. Also comfortable in the longevity and ability of our vehicles.