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First Oil Change Interval

jleipsic

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My dealer in Phoenix, Arrowhead Grenadier said the manufacturer's recommended first oil change is at 12,000 miles. They recommended first oil change at 5,000 miles.

What is the forum's consensus on the first oil change interval? I haven't found a thread that covers this. If there is a thread, please point me to it.

I have a 2024 Fieldmaster, 3600 miles now. I am loving the Grenadier, just getting used to taking it off road in the Sonoran desert of southern Arizona! Getting lots of looks and comments on the new vehicle in Tucson, Arizona!

Thank you in advance!
 
There is thread here somewhere for sure. I did 3000 6000 and ~10500.

Some owners have done it a bit earlier too.
 
If you do it before the OEM recommended service your engine will destroy itself. Only perform what the makers of the warranty give you nothing else. LOL J/K Oil is dirt cheap compared to rebuilds I do mine every single year or 5k what ever comes first. I also actually do my brake fluid every 3 years, crazy right...... ;)
 
The appropriate oil change interval really depends on your driving style, operating environment, and use.

IMHO, an initial break in change should be done around 1k miles. Initial wear is higher as the moving parts first start sliding and slamming into one another. The oil will be picking up more contaminants and microscopic bits of metal during this initial period.

Ineos recommends oil change at 12k intervals. Depending on your driving conditions, a shorter interval may make more sense. If the bulk of your miles are longer highway miles under a constant load, 12k will likely work. I would be more comfortable with 6k intervals. It’s going to cost a bit more but it’s worth it for my piece of mind and my objective of getting the engine to 500k miles.

If you want to maximize your engine’s life, changing your oil more frequently than the manufacturer’s recommended 12,000-mile interval can offer extra protection, especially if you drive in severe conditions (towing, short trips, extreme temperatures (hot or cold), or lots of stop-and-go traffic).

I live in Alaska and drive daily in temperatures that generally range between -10°F and 70°F. Short trips in the winter leave oil looking like a chocolate milkshake because I don't drive hard and long enough for the oil to get to operating temperature to boil out any accumulated water vapor in the oil. As a consequence, the oil gets changed twice a year at a minimum, in Spring and Fall, regardless of mileage. Otherwise I shoot for 4k intervals. Time will tell if I am overdoing it but the cost is peanuts compared to an engine overhaul.

Shorter intervals mean fresher oil and less buildup of contaminants, which can help reduce engine wear over time. Typically, cleaner oil leads to a longer engine life.

However, following the manufacturer’s interval with modern high-quality synthetic oil is generally safe for most driving habits, and changing oil much earlier than needed mainly increases cost without dramatic benefits unless your driving falls under “severe service” conditions.

If you are really interested, this would be a great time to start oil analysis. Take a sample when changing oil at 1k, then at 6k and at 6k intervals thereafter. By the time you hit 12 to 18k, you will have a pretty good idea of the wear pattern trends and how much your oil has degraded under your particular kind of use. If it still looks clean and the analysis reveals no abnormal wear, extend the interval to the Ineos recommended 12k interval, continue oil analysis, and let us know.
 
There is no doubt that conditions dictate change intervals.

I have been pushing 8-10k mile oil changes for a long time now. My G wagon has 230,000mi on it now doing this. My defender did the same and my K5 blazer did 125k like that before I sold it. Most people change oil way too often. But if you are using junk oil then all bets are off.
 
The appropriate oil change interval really depends on your driving style, operating environment, and use.

IMHO, an initial break in change should be done around 1k miles. Initial wear is higher as the moving parts first start sliding and slamming into one another. The oil will be picking up more contaminants and microscopic bits of metal during this initial period.

Ineos recommends oil change at 12k intervals. Depending on your driving conditions, a shorter interval may make more sense. If the bulk of your miles are longer highway miles under a constant load, 12k will likely work. I would be more comfortable with 6k intervals. It’s going to cost a bit more but it’s worth it for my piece of mind and my objective of getting the engine to 500k miles.

If you want to maximize your engine’s life, changing your oil more frequently than the manufacturer’s recommended 12,000-mile interval can offer extra protection, especially if you drive in severe conditions (towing, short trips, extreme temperatures (hot or cold), or lots of stop-and-go traffic).

I live in Alaska and drive daily in temperatures that generally range between -10°F and 70°F. Short trips in the winter leave oil looking like a chocolate milkshake because I don't drive hard and long enough for the oil to get to operating temperature to boil out any accumulated water vapor in the oil. As a consequence, the oil gets changed twice a year at a minimum, in Spring and Fall, regardless of mileage. Otherwise I shoot for 4k intervals. Time will tell if I am overdoing it but the cost is peanuts compared to an engine overhaul.

Shorter intervals mean fresher oil and less buildup of contaminants, which can help reduce engine wear over time. Typically, cleaner oil leads to a longer engine life.

However, following the manufacturer’s interval with modern high-quality synthetic oil is generally safe for most driving habits, and changing oil much earlier than needed mainly increases cost without dramatic benefits unless your driving falls under “severe service” conditions.

If you are really interested, this would be a great time to start oil analysis. Take a sample when changing oil at 1k, then at 6k and at 6k intervals thereafter. By the time you hit 12 to 18k, you will have a pretty good idea of the wear pattern trends and how much your oil has degraded under your particular kind of use. If it still looks clean and the analysis reveals no abnormal wear, extend the interval to the Ineos recommended 12k interval, continue oil analysis, and let us know.

Very well put!

My thoughts - if you really want to look after the vehicle, engine oil changes every couple of months may give that warm glow inside ... coolant, axle oils, transmission oils, hose checks, belt and hose checks etc are at least as important.

You are far more likely to destroy an engine from a coolant hose popping off than wear from following manufacturers recommended engine oil changes.
 
at around a 1000 miles for first and then every 5000 thereafter. I chuck in a 5 tyre rotation in at the sametime, just to make sure the oil doesn't feel like it's being got at.
 
My first OC was around 6000km , second around 13000km.
Speedo is in 21st century km/hr, and so I'm not doing the mph conversion for you 😄
 
From what I’ve read, shorter than OEM intervals give your engine a better chance for long term reliability (ie over 100k).

With that said, I’d take into consideration if you’re the type of owner that holds onto their vehicles that long.
 
1000 miles and then every 5000. Going 12,000 miles on the first oil change is crazy. All those break in wear particles doing damage that I’m sure will have effects at higher mileage. Oil is better than it once was, metal particles and other junk doesn’t care how good the oil tech is. Many videos on YouTube showing scientifically what’s in the break in oil and it isn’t pretty.
 
1000 miles and then every 5000. Going 12,000 miles on the first oil change is crazy. All those break in wear particles doing damage that I’m sure will have effects at higher mileage. Oil is better than it once was, metal particles and other junk doesn’t care how good the oil tech is. Many videos on YouTube showing scientifically what’s in the break in oil and it isn’t pretty.
When I did my first oil change at 500 miles there were definitely silver metal particles in the plleats of the filter. The next oil change was at 5000 miles and there were no metal particles at all so leaving those particles in for 12,000 miles seems a bit silly.
 
I won't try to sway yall too much, but consider this.

These engines don't have all the debris in them that engines used to have. Engines these days are built in effectively clean rooms and parts are processed differently than 20,30 or 40 years ago. These engines are built in the same conditions that automatic transmissions are built. The only reason we replace engine oil so much is because of carbon build up from combustion, oil acidity and of course dirt from the outside world. Break in oil changes are not yielding the same metal content they used to. I come from a world where sending out oil samples is effectively required, stretching oil changes a bit has yet to provide me with a sample that was out of the ordinary. The samples that did come back odd were dues to parts failure. All that said, modern high quality oils do not break down like they used to. Regardless the old 3,000mi deal was just to support Jiffy Lube and subsidize mechanic shops. If you believe in this for real, I have some prime real estate to show you in Louisiana.

Regardless, if Ineos/BMW mucked up the build of my engine and a cam is failing or a crank bearing is eating itself then have at it. Let's get it over with as soon as possible so Ineos is on the hook not me.
 
When I did my first oil change at 500 miles there were definitely silver metal particles in the plleats of the filter. The next oil change was at 5000 miles and there were no metal particles at all so leaving those particles in for 12,000 miles seems a bit silly.
And some metal particles are too fine to be caught by the filter. Oil is cheap insurance. I might do my second change at 3000. At 2100 now. I also switched to Motul 5w-40 8100 Gen 2, it has BMW LL-01 certification, has the correct shear rating and is a “thin” 5w-40. Engine is a bit quieter.
 
My dealer in Phoenix, Arrowhead Grenadier said the manufacturer's recommended first oil change is at 12,000 miles. They recommended first oil change at 5,000 miles.

What is the forum's consensus on the first oil change interval? I haven't found a thread that covers this. If there is a thread, please point me to it.

I have a 2024 Fieldmaster, 3600 miles now. I am loving the Grenadier, just getting used to taking it off road in the Sonoran desert of southern Arizona! Getting lots of looks and comments on the new vehicle in Tucson, Arizona!

Thank you in advance!
I performed my 3rd oil change last night at 9500 miles. We have a long trip planned next weekend so I opted to do it just before my planned 10k service I was going to perform.
2500 miles, engine oil
3500 F/R differential oil changed
6400 miles, engine oil
9500 miles, engine oil
 
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