Winch or not ?

DCPU

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It pains me to think that having failed with a winch you go to a snatch pull. 😳

Personally, I'd be going back to the spade and checking to see what the issue is/what the vehicle is hung up on/what's been missed.

In my day, the KERR kit was only ever for use on armoured vehicles, never on soft skinned vehicles.
 

globalgregors

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those who like to do some "interesting" tracks
To be clear, I’ve ordered the winch. My point was rather that when overlanding (eg vehicle dependent travel, such as in a country where ones vehicle is not protected by insurance) one tends to take less risks with the vehicle than one might in the local National Park on a Sunday.

That and I kind of miss the days when one didn’t require an expedition vehicle to cross a desert. I say this having been overtaken in a water crossing in Northern Mongolia by a Toyota Prius carrying a family of six.
 

DCPU

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I've opened a ticket at Ineos with the following questions
  1. What is the weight of the integrated winch
I've seen it given as 32kg on a FB Group; so interesting to see what answer you get, and odd they really do seem to be reading from different scripts...
 

Arkaig

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In my day, the KERR kit was only ever for use on armoured vehicles, never on soft skinned vehicles.

Those were the days! Flying steel shackles have been the cause of fatalities and numerous injuries. Nowadays the use of soft shackles only is widely promoted and indeed is a requirement of an increasing number of pay-and-play centres and off-road clubs in the UK. It's good to see the Grenadier has recovery points suitably rounded for using soft shackles.
 

CountyV8

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If money wasn't a factor, I'd spec the winch.

But Its a very expensive option, and and im 99% sure ill be fitting an ARB bumper (or similar) down the line, and will just drop in a winch when i do.

IMHO a winch is an essential item if your doing any solo travelling off-road. even if your not doing technical trails, there are so many potential situations that can crop up where you'll need one. Moving trees, self recovery, helping locals are all things I've done in the past, and you never know when its going to happen
Its not about the winch its about the wiring and battery control and the remote
 

Deepblue

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Thanks.

UK suppliers don't seen to bundle in this manner.

I like the edge separator, but it doesn't seem to be available separately?
Hi @DCPU is the following the edge separator you’re looking for?

 

DCPU

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Hi @DCPU is the following the edge separator you’re looking for?

Yes ~ very nice.

It's expensive but maybe the quality is there. Luckily, they don't ship to GB so I don't have to agonise.

Anyone seen anything similar?
 

bemax

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Yes ~ very nice.

It's expensive but maybe the quality is there. Luckily, they don't ship to GB so I don't have to agonise.

Anyone seen anything similar?
if you look for "Kantenreiter" in the shopping area of Google you might find some retailer from Dönges that ship it abroad. It seems to be out of stock at the moment anyway.
 

Davman

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This may of been mentioned before or not, but here goes.
If you select the integrated winch option, then you also MUST HAVE the additional electrical preparation (additional overhead switch panel) option as well.
This isn't a problem for Trialmaster purchasers, but for everyone else this means that if you want the Red Winch, then it really costs you $7235AUD :oops:
 

DaveB

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This may of been mentioned before or not, but here goes.
If you select the integrated winch option, then you also MUST HAVE the additional electrical preparation (additional overhead switch panel) option as well.
This isn't a problem for Trialmaster purchasers, but for everyone else this means that if you want the Red Winch, then it really costs you $7235AUD :oops:
You are not just paying for the winch. It is cabled in and ready to go and you also get the 4 power outlets on the roof for worklights etc. Plus power in the rear. I think you also get wiring to the front for driving lights. Plus installation and 5 year warranty. Plus possibly uprated springs in the front (whole nother can of worms)
 

Davman

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I agree with you Dave, and some of us may of already selected the overhead panel just to receive that functionality on its own.
However the fact is that if you want the Red winch, then it is going to cost you $7,235AUD
 

emax

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I had ticked the overhead power panel before. Later I added the winch so no surprises.
 

DCPU

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I agree with you Dave, and some of us may of already selected the overhead panel just to receive that functionality on its own.
However the fact is that if you want the Red winch, then it is going to cost you $7,235AUD
The question may be whether Ineos will sell you the winch without the High Load Auxiliary Switch Panel.

If the winch is fitted, like it's been suggested with an Anderson style main power connector, then it's only going to need a corresponding power connector & cable run back to the battery to make it fully functional.

That's not going to cost anywhere like the cost of the optional kit.
 

DaveB

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The question may be whether Ineos will sell you the winch without the High Load Auxiliary Switch Panel.

If the winch is fitted, like it's been suggested with an Anderson style main power connector, then it's only going to need a corresponding power connector & cable run back to the battery to make it fully functional.

That's not going to cost anywhere like the cost of the optional kit.
Haven't checked but pretty sure the winch is a dealer fitted accessory which means you should be able to buy it from the dealer and fit it yourself. You obviously wont get the uprated springs or whatever other fittings you need to install it. I doubt the anderson plug will be there if you don't option the wiring kit
 

Davman

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Haven't checked but pretty sure the winch is a dealer fitted accessory which means you should be able to buy it from the dealer and fit it yourself. You obviously wont get the uprated springs or whatever other fittings you need to install it. I doubt the anderson plug will be there if you don't option the wiring kit
This is the INEOS CS reply:

Please note if you add the integrated winch you will get automatically the panel. There is no alternative for it unfortunately.
 

Arkaig

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Haven't checked but pretty sure the winch is a dealer fitted accessory which means you should be able to buy it from the dealer and fit it yourself. You obviously wont get the uprated springs or whatever other fittings you need to install it. I doubt the anderson plug will be there if you don't option the wiring kit

The winch is a factory-fit option.

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DCPU

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So hopefully they will address issues such as uprated springs or whatever other fittings you need to install it and maybe be generous enough to throw in an Anderson style plug.
 

DCPU

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You are not just paying for the winch. It is cabled in and ready to go and you also get the 4 power outlets on the roof for worklights etc. Plus power in the rear. I think you also get wiring to the front for driving lights. Plus installation and 5 year warranty. Plus possibly uprated springs in the front (whole nother can of worms)
When you look at what you get with the High Load Auxiliary Switch Panel in terms of the online configurator then it clearly states it "includes four external electrical sockets in the tie-down rail recesses".

But look at the High Load interior panel and there's 3 switches rated at 25 amps and 1 rated at 500 amps. Assuming the winch is taking the 500 amp switch (in effect it could also be a flying lead for jump starting) is that going to be wired through to one of the four sockets in the tie-down rail recesses?

There's also the standard switch panel in the roof that includes a switch labelled "Ext 1" but no reference to where the corresponding external electrical socket is?

Could it be that everyone is getting one of the four sockets in the tie-down rail recesses as standard?
 
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