Stuck at Cape York

[DaveB]

Don't forget his own Peter Wherret Sigma

Complete with female underwear

Pretty sure he preferred male underwear

 

[Karearea]

Ineos has finally made it to Cadogan.
I feel this isn't going to end well.

View: https://youtu.be/8CiYQ3u54wY?si=TXW0VFlzuFB3Rppp

Who does this clown actually think his audience is? what an absolute MUPPET!

 

[LabRat]

Who does this clown actually think his audience is? what an absolute MUPPET!

A lot of people who were just about to buy one until this happened. LOL

 

[TheDocAUS]

Who does this clown actually think his audience is? what an absolute MUPPET!

Sarcasm has totally replaced content. He use to make some good videos. I stopped watching some time ago.

 

[globalgregors]

The one thing I’m learning from this whole episode is that many punters don’t realise that soft/partial ingestion (as described by @NQ94 #217) is a thing.

It’s like no one reads the Automotive Handbook any more.

 

[MattA]

Anyway back to the topic …
Why do so many assume it’s a water issue with the engine failure??
If it was water insurance would not cover it full stop and end of story
Insurance is for accidents, accidental damage
Driving intentionally into a river or s no accident it was intentional

 

[Tom D]

Anyway back to the topic …
Why do so many assume it’s a water issue with the engine failure??
If it was water insurance would not cover it full stop and end of story
Insurance is for accidents, accidental damage
Driving intentionally into a river or s no accident it was intentional

I suspect that is why the video was deleted. In case the insurance company come to the same conclusion. If he drove that car through the same river that the other cars in the video crossed then he definitely ingested water.

 

[TheDocAUS]

Anyway back to the topic …
Why do so many assume it’s a water issue with the engine failure??
If it was water insurance would not cover it full stop and end of story
Insurance is for accidents, accidental damage
Driving intentionally into a river or s no accident it was intentional

People are not assuming that. I have posted a few times it is one possible cause - one actually supported by the videos posted. The cars went over the max wading depth, you see it in the video. It is the exact reason I bought a sealed snorkel after seeing the earlier video back around September.

No other explanation has been offered in the videos. But other possibilities could include damage from rocks on the track or river, or even branches spearing up under the car. None of which the videos mention. Nor do they discuss the max wading depth was exceeded, and only they can answer why. And I am not suggesting or implying anything nefarious.

Going over the max wading depth with no sealed snorkel is playing water roulette. At some point it will end in a disaster, but not always.

 

[globalgregors]

Anyway back to the topic …
Why do so many assume it’s a water issue with the engine failure??
If it was water insurance would not cover it full stop and end of story
Insurance is for accidents, accidental damage
Driving intentionally into a river or s no accident it was intentional

The failure can occur some time (as in days) after the initial water ingestion and consequently be very difficult to definitively tie back to the original incident.

In WRC they used to call it “engine deep splash”. This incident has similar symptoms.

Full hydro-lock obviously is somewhat more straightforward as it happens either immediately or on next startup.

 

[Karearea]

Insurance is for accidents, accidental damage
Driving intentionally into a river or s no accident it was intentional

Insurance is available for just about anything at a price. When doing “unusual” things either as a person or with an insured asset , just ask for extended cover if necessary and then you’re covered!
I also suspect club ownership has a similar option and in this instance this was a club expedition which seems to have helped out from an “insurance” perspective.
I’ve been what some would call a risk taker all my life both with personal activities and doing other “stuff” - not always insured but probably 90% of the time

 

[Tazzieman]

Insurance is available for just about anything at a price. When doing “unusual” things either as a person or with an insured asset , just ask for extended cover if necessary and then you’re covered!
I also suspect club ownership has a similar option and in this instance this was a club expedition which seems to have helped out from an “insurance” perspective.
I’ve been what some would call a risk taker all my life both with personal activities and doing other “stuff” - not always insured but probably 90% of the time

Track day insurance is an example. But these things can be pricey and some people are content with playing the risk game.
As with gambling, play with as much as you can stomach losing.

 

[landmannnn]

Who does this clown actually think his audience is? what an absolute MUPPET!

Although according to Google he earns between $50k and $200k (US) from that channel. So not such a Muppet.

 

[bakepl]

What a complete beat up and unwarranted damage to a brand.

The vehicle suffered catastrophic engine damage.
Ineos recovered the vehicle 1000's of klms as if it was a warranty claim.
Inspection by Ineos found it was not a warranty claim.
This can be confirmed as Insurance have paid out many $$$. Insurance would not have paid out if they deemed it vehicle warranty.
It is purported that there could have been better communication, at this stage there is only one side of the story made public.
Vehicle is being repaired by Ineos, funded by Insurance for return to owner.
Purportedly only one engine is available in Belgium. These engines are highly reliable and do not routinely fail. Should an engine fail, who in their right mind would want NOS fitted?

 

[bakepl]

What a complete beat up and unwarranted damage to a brand.

The vehicle suffered catastrophic engine damage.
Ineos recovered the vehicle 1000's of klms as if it was a warranty claim.
Inspection by Ineos found it was not a warranty claim.
This can be confirmed as Insurance have paid out many $$$. Insurance would not have paid out if they deemed it vehicle warranty.
It is purported that there could have been better communication, at this stage there is only one side of the story made public.
Vehicle is being repaired by Ineos, funded by Insurance for return to owner.
Purportedly only one engine is available in Belgium. These engines are highly reliable and do not routinely fail. Should an engine fail, who in their right mind would want NOS fitted?

There are comments in response to John Cadogans youtube that Ineos have indeed provided a report as to water found in turbos and intercooler. With enough interest perhaps JohnC can do a follow up to verify this.

 

[DaveB]

Anyway back to the topic …
Why do so many assume it’s a water issue with the engine failure??
If it was water insurance would not cover it full stop and end of story
Insurance is for accidents, accidental damage
Driving intentionally into a river or s no accident it was intentional

I am told that the engine did not fail due to normal wear and tear or a warranty related issue.
The cause was external.
I trust my source of information.

 

[Znarfgh]

Everything written is unhelpful speculation about what caused the engine failure. Until we know why the warranty claim was rejected by Ineos, we should assume that there is a valid reason as Ineos has been pretty good about warranty claims. The only other incident that I am aware of was in the UK and also involved water.

Cadogan makes money from Youtube views and sponsorships and loves to sensationalise negative incidents. Look at all the headlines on Youtube - so many point to disasters and failures because that's what gets views. Who's going to view a video with a headline like "what a wonderful, trouble-free holiday we had with our 4x4".

I'm sure the reason for the engine failure will be revealed at some point and there are probably reasons why it has not been to date. Until we have all the facts, speculation is not helpful to anyone.

 

[TheDocAUS]

There are comments in response to John Cadogans youtube that Ineos have indeed provided a report as to water found in turbos and intercooler. With enough interest perhaps JohnC can do a follow up to verify this.

/sarcasm on
I am shocked, shocked I tell you.
/sarcasm off

 

[hightechcoonass]

What we do know:
- 4 cars took the harder track which involved water crossings, including a deep one;
- 3 of the 4 cars had the INEOS RAI;
- the INEOS RAI is not sealed;
- a single car had no RAI (the one that now has a blown motor);
- the owner of the car with the blown motor appears to have limited experience going remote;
- an earlier video shows cars with RAI's wading well over 800mm, the max wading depth of the IG;
- the car with the blown motor is not shown crossing the river, but it had to cross the river;
- it is not unreasonable to conclude it also exceeded the max wading depth;
- the owner and John Canny do not comment about the car exceeding the wading depth, but the known facts strongly suggest it did;
- reliable BMW motors do not just blow themselves up, something happened;
- it was not that long after the deep river crossing the BMW motor failed;
- a hydro locked motor is one explanation supported by video evidence, but it might not be the only possible cause (but the video, as posted, suggests no other cause);
- Roadside assist, INEOS and Budget all seemed to have acted properly towards the owner;
- we will not be told everything, whether we like it or not; and
- not buying an INEOS having regard to the above is pretty short sighted. Spend your money how you wish, but please stop coming here and saying you will not buy one. Many members are not interested in your opinion, so please stop wasting our time. We own these cars and most of us have had great experiences, even driving them hard. Actual experience trumps your theories or opinions. Nothing in that video undermines my trust and belief in the IG or QM, but I am impressed by what INEOS did, even if I would like to know the underlying cause of the failure. Plus, I am not after YouTube clicks. Many cars come to grief every year at Cape York, every brand and many models. So frequent there is a list is kept, INEOS now has its first listing.

So well written, it needs to be reposted! Thanks for your words, sir.

 

[ADVAW8S]

I give it 10 days and there will be another video from the US YouTuber My Ineos obsession. Follow by TFL with breaking news. This is not going away until Ineos PR shuts it down. I don't think they owe us anything but from a PR standpoint either they need to step up or someone needs to take a new Prado/LC set it on fire. Then say it was a hybrid issue

 

[DaveB]

I give it 10 days and there will be another video from the US YouTuber My Ineos obsession. Follow by TFL with breaking news. This is not going away until Ineos PR shuts it down. I don't think they owe us anything but from a PR standpoint either they need to step up or someone needs to take a new Prado/LC set it on fire. Then say it was a hybrid issue

Ineos are stuck with legal and confidentiality requirements.
So is the dealer, Ignition.
If the owner chooses to make the information public that is his choice.......however now that his insurance company has paid up, he should keep his head down and mouth tightly sealed.
I think he probably regrets getting John involved. However I have never met him or talked to him.

Even from the videos, it seems Ineos and the dealer were incredibly supportive, until the Youtube videos came out and muddied the waters. (No pun intended??)

I think this should have remained a private business situation between the owner, dealer, Ineos and the Insurance company.
As it turned out I am truly amazed the insurance company paid out.