Stuck at Cape York

[DaveB]

Don't forget his own Peter Wherret Sigma

Complete with female underwear

Pretty sure he preferred male underwear

 

[Karearea]

Ineos has finally made it to Cadogan.
I feel this isn't going to end well.

View: https://youtu.be/8CiYQ3u54wY?si=TXW0VFlzuFB3Rppp

Who does this clown actually think his audience is? what an absolute MUPPET!

 

[LabRat]

Who does this clown actually think his audience is? what an absolute MUPPET!

A lot of people who were just about to buy one until this happened. LOL

 

[TheDocAUS]

Who does this clown actually think his audience is? what an absolute MUPPET!

Sarcasm has totally replaced content. He use to make some good videos. I stopped watching some time ago.

 

[globalgregors]

The one thing I’m learning from this whole episode is that many punters don’t realise that soft/partial ingestion (as described by @NQ94 #217) is a thing.

It’s like no one reads the Automotive Handbook any more.

 

[MattA]

Anyway back to the topic …
Why do so many assume it’s a water issue with the engine failure??
If it was water insurance would not cover it full stop and end of story
Insurance is for accidents, accidental damage
Driving intentionally into a river or s no accident it was intentional

 

[Tom D]

Anyway back to the topic …
Why do so many assume it’s a water issue with the engine failure??
If it was water insurance would not cover it full stop and end of story
Insurance is for accidents, accidental damage
Driving intentionally into a river or s no accident it was intentional

I suspect that is why the video was deleted. In case the insurance company come to the same conclusion. If he drove that car through the same river that the other cars in the video crossed then he definitely ingested water.

 

[TheDocAUS]

Anyway back to the topic …
Why do so many assume it’s a water issue with the engine failure??
If it was water insurance would not cover it full stop and end of story
Insurance is for accidents, accidental damage
Driving intentionally into a river or s no accident it was intentional

People are not assuming that. I have posted a few times it is one possible cause - one actually supported by the videos posted. The cars went over the max wading depth, you see it in the video. It is the exact reason I bought a sealed snorkel after seeing the earlier video back around September.

No other explanation has been offered in the videos. But other possibilities could include damage from rocks on the track or river, or even branches spearing up under the car. None of which the videos mention. Nor do they discuss the max wading depth was exceeded, and only they can answer why. And I am not suggesting or implying anything nefarious.

Going over the max wading depth with no sealed snorkel is playing water roulette. At some point it will end in a disaster, but not always.

 

[globalgregors]

Anyway back to the topic …
Why do so many assume it’s a water issue with the engine failure??
If it was water insurance would not cover it full stop and end of story
Insurance is for accidents, accidental damage
Driving intentionally into a river or s no accident it was intentional

The failure can occur some time (as in days) after the initial water ingestion and consequently be very difficult to definitively tie back to the original incident.

In WRC they used to call it “engine deep splash”. This incident has similar symptoms.

Full hydro-lock obviously is somewhat more straightforward as it happens either immediately or on next startup.

 

[Karearea]

Insurance is for accidents, accidental damage
Driving intentionally into a river or s no accident it was intentional

Insurance is available for just about anything at a price. When doing “unusual” things either as a person or with an insured asset , just ask for extended cover if necessary and then you’re covered!
I also suspect club ownership has a similar option and in this instance this was a club expedition which seems to have helped out from an “insurance” perspective.
I’ve been what some would call a risk taker all my life both with personal activities and doing other “stuff” - not always insured but probably 90% of the time

 

[Tazzieman]

Insurance is available for just about anything at a price. When doing “unusual” things either as a person or with an insured asset , just ask for extended cover if necessary and then you’re covered!
I also suspect club ownership has a similar option and in this instance this was a club expedition which seems to have helped out from an “insurance” perspective.
I’ve been what some would call a risk taker all my life both with personal activities and doing other “stuff” - not always insured but probably 90% of the time

Track day insurance is an example. But these things can be pricey and some people are content with playing the risk game.
As with gambling, play with as much as you can stomach losing.

 

[landmannnn]

Who does this clown actually think his audience is? what an absolute MUPPET!

Although according to Google he earns between $50k and $200k (US) from that channel. So not such a Muppet.

 

[bakepl]

What a complete beat up and unwarranted damage to a brand.

The vehicle suffered catastrophic engine damage.
Ineos recovered the vehicle 1000's of klms as if it was a warranty claim.
Inspection by Ineos found it was not a warranty claim.
This can be confirmed as Insurance have paid out many $$$. Insurance would not have paid out if they deemed it vehicle warranty.
It is purported that there could have been better communication, at this stage there is only one side of the story made public.
Vehicle is being repaired by Ineos, funded by Insurance for return to owner.
Purportedly only one engine is available in Belgium. These engines are highly reliable and do not routinely fail. Should an engine fail, who in their right mind would want NOS fitted?

 

[bakepl]

What a complete beat up and unwarranted damage to a brand.

The vehicle suffered catastrophic engine damage.
Ineos recovered the vehicle 1000's of klms as if it was a warranty claim.
Inspection by Ineos found it was not a warranty claim.
This can be confirmed as Insurance have paid out many $$$. Insurance would not have paid out if they deemed it vehicle warranty.
It is purported that there could have been better communication, at this stage there is only one side of the story made public.
Vehicle is being repaired by Ineos, funded by Insurance for return to owner.
Purportedly only one engine is available in Belgium. These engines are highly reliable and do not routinely fail. Should an engine fail, who in their right mind would want NOS fitted?

There are comments in response to John Cadogans youtube that Ineos have indeed provided a report as to water found in turbos and intercooler. With enough interest perhaps JohnC can do a follow up to verify this.

 

[DaveB]

Anyway back to the topic …
Why do so many assume it’s a water issue with the engine failure??
If it was water insurance would not cover it full stop and end of story
Insurance is for accidents, accidental damage
Driving intentionally into a river or s no accident it was intentional

I am told that the engine did not fail due to normal wear and tear or a warranty related issue.
The cause was external.
I trust my source of information.

 

[Znarfgh]

Everything written is unhelpful speculation about what caused the engine failure. Until we know why the warranty claim was rejected by Ineos, we should assume that there is a valid reason as Ineos has been pretty good about warranty claims. The only other incident that I am aware of was in the UK and also involved water.

Cadogan makes money from Youtube views and sponsorships and loves to sensationalise negative incidents. Look at all the headlines on Youtube - so many point to disasters and failures because that's what gets views. Who's going to view a video with a headline like "what a wonderful, trouble-free holiday we had with our 4x4".

I'm sure the reason for the engine failure will be revealed at some point and there are probably reasons why it has not been to date. Until we have all the facts, speculation is not helpful to anyone.