Stuck at Cape York

[Commodore]

If sh*t can't get worse, it just did. Canny pulled the video off his page. You can still watch it from one of the many posts. But if you go to his page it is wiped cleaned. Now your going to get ppl saying Ineos silenced him.

Which video did he pull? The BS interview with the owner of the one where they all used their grenadiers as boats?

Edit… he pulled the bullshit interview with the owner. He likely got a letter from Ineos legal. What the hell was he thinking? Use the truck as a submarine and then bitch about it breaking!?!? I can’t believe they all didn’t break.

 

[The Angler]

I watched in disbelief , listening to the two of them bleating on about the treatment received from Ineos. ( watch the recording of their full trip) No manufacturer should be expected to provide warranty cover for that level of extreme use. If you want to take that level of risk, have the common sense to understand you may have to deal with the consequences!

 

[DesertGecko]

And the video has been taken down, as expected.

As someone who is on the fence on this or at least was. Regardless of who was to blame, if it was warranty, or insurance. Who paid for the recovery..

A prospective owner looks and thinks.
- Will this happen to me as the car is sold as an offroad vehicle, and I use mine as such.
- How can an engine cost SIXTYFIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS?
- How can a brand sell cars in Australia and not have one engine in the country in case of this???

I've owned my current car for coming on 21 years. If I bought a grenadier I'd want at least the same. If the parts cost is so great that an engine is 65k, HTH am I going to afford to maintain it?

I'll admit I saved the video. If I ever find myself thinking of a grenadier ever again I'll watch it again.

 

[CRH]

And the video has been taken down, as expected.

As someone who is on the fence on this or at least was. Regardless of who was to blame, if it was warranty, or insurance. Who paid for the recovery..

A prospective owner looks and thinks.
- Will this happen to me as the car is sold as an offroad vehicle, and I use mine as such.
- How can an engine cost SIXTYFIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS?
- How can a brand sell cars in Australia and not have one engine in the country in case of this???

I've owned my current car for coming on 21 years. If I bought a grenadier I'd want at least the same. If the parts cost is so great that an engine is 65k, HTH am I going to afford to maintain it?

I'll admit I saved the video. If I ever find myself thinking of a grenadier ever again I'll watch it again.

Maybe that's why it was taken down, maybe not all the information was true and if so then the company isn't going to want perspective customers watching potential lies. Only guessing, but it was all true, then it wouldn't have been taken down. Only slight errors would have been rectified. Outright lies tend to upset legal people.
If you are worried about the engine costs, ring BMW for more information and costs. If you are worried about water ingress, get a sealed snorkel. As far as I am aware, the BMW unit is a relatively reliable and detuned for additional reliability.

 

[Tazzieman]

You Tubing is a slippery slope.
And I'm not talking about the poor Toyota World Runners couple.
But time and time again people stumble in the creating content egosphere.

 

[NQ94]

IMO The owner of the car more than likely asked for the video to be removed to avoid further personal digs and condersending comments towards them, and the video creator.
If it was the Ineos legal team that shut him down, do they come after the forums and FB groups next?

 

[DesertGecko]

Maybe that's why it was taken down, maybe not all the information was true and if so then the company isn't going to want perspective customers watching potential lies. Only guessing, but it was all true, then it wouldn't have been taken down. Only slight errors would have been rectified. Outright lies tend to upset legal people.
If you are worried about the engine costs, ring BMW for more information and costs. If you are worried about water ingress, get a sealed snorkel. As far as I am aware, the BMW unit is a relatively reliable and detuned for additional reliability.

Ineos really need to come out and tell everyone what happened.

 

[NQ94]

And the video has been taken down, as expected.

As someone who is on the fence on this or at least was. Regardless of who was to blame, if it was warranty, or insurance. Who paid for the recovery..

A prospective owner looks and thinks.
- Will this happen to me as the car is sold as an offroad vehicle, and I use mine as such.
- How can an engine cost SIXTYFIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS?
- How can a brand sell cars in Australia and not have one engine in the country in case of this???

I've owned my current car for coming on 21 years. If I bought a grenadier I'd want at least the same. If the parts cost is so great that an engine is 65k, HTH am I going to afford to maintain it?

I'll admit I saved the video. If I ever find myself thinking of a grenadier ever again I'll watch it again.

The engine would of been quoted as separate parts, machining and labour at retail cost to get to 65k. sometimes quoting insurance jobs this way gives the shop more approved hours and money and allows for other unforeseen issues to be rectified. Not to mention the other collateral damage assuming the engine legged it. There is likely damage to the fuel system, turbo, oil in the coolant, metal in the intake and exhaust, oil and coolant through the DPF and SCR systems. Pulling the old engine and fit a new complete assembly would be half the cost.

 

[Tazzieman]

If sh*t can't get worse, it just did. Canny pulled the video off his page. You can still watch it from one of the many posts. But if you go to his page it is wiped cleaned. Now your going to get ppl saying Ineos silenced him.

Earlier video still up. What is 800mm anyway?
Not much wiggle room for a bow wave.
The Grenx snorkel , though $$, looks like cheap insurance if you are fond of deep water crossings.

 

[DesertGecko]

The engine would of been quoted as separate parts, machining and labour at retail cost to get to 65k. sometimes quoting insurance jobs this way gives the shop more approved hours and money and allows for other unforeseen issues to be rectified. Not to mention the other collateral damage assuming the engine legged it. There is likely damage to the fuel system, turbo, oil in the coolant, metal in the intake and exhaust, oil and coolant through the DPF and SCR systems. Pulling the old engine and fit a new complete assembly would be half the cost.

Ive heard of 20k for a Toyota D4D and I’ve heard of Land Rover charging 35k for an engine replacement after a catastrophic failure - but this raises the bar to a new level.

It’s inexcusable that they don’t have an engine in Australia.

 

[MrMike]

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[Jeremy996]

Ive heard of 20k for a Toyota D4D and I’ve heard of Land Rover charging 35k for an engine replacement after a catastrophic failure - but this raises the bar to a new level.

It’s inexcusable that they don’t have an engine in Australia.

The repair quote for my hydro-locked Grenadier diesel was very nearly £40k; the short block alone was a £14k list. (Call the total estimate AUD81,000). There is more detail on this thread: https://www.theineosforum.com/threads/drowning-my-grenadier-a-sorry-soggy-saga.12417641/

As for not having an engine in Australia; why would they, it should not be a common failure? That Ineos Automotive were willing to air-freight it suggests that keeping more than a narrow spares pool in Australia is considered uneconomic.

 

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That gives a better perspective on it. Bit too deep on that air intake side. Bad enough with a raised air intake that isn’t sealed and even worse with no RAI.

 

[CRH]

Ineos really need to come out and tell everyone what happened.

Why, is it their fault, we don't know? The video has been pulled and no acknowledgement as to why.
Should Ineos respond to every video complaing about their vehicles, does Land Rover, Toyota or any other manufacturer whether or not it's their fault. As it stands, I would suggest not otherwise the film would still be up. It's probably a deal made between them or it was liebellous. We will never know and it's all speculation.

 

[Krabby]

Hi @Krabby,

Would you please consider merging this thread into the Cape York thread. There is often good stuff in the cross-thread comments that get missed, and consolidated threads makes searching easier.

Hi @Mountain4x4,
Do you have any objections?

Done. Great idea. Have a Foster’s on me.

 

[Mountain4x4]

One thing I do see with Ineos dealers is they were promised insane amounts of book. IE: drive shafts takes 15-20 min and Ineos gives them 3hrs. Probably to help bridge the gap until more non warranty work comes in. A typical BN58 rebuilt is 7500.00- 15000.00 depending on how its built. I doubt the Grenadiers is going to be much more. No way you should pay more then 15-20K for an engine, which is still a real heart stopper as a big V8 Ram can be done for 12K.

Oh, my rear diff is coming from Belgium as well, none in the US.

Being now another possible hydro lock of some sort( wish we knew) its time to figure out why this intake system is vulnerable and make improvements. Anyone looked at turning the air intake into a snorkel yet?

 

[Mountain4x4]

I reckon your RAI makes a difference. Point made though as it applies with the driveshaft issues.

Nice part of the world down your way, love that dry country. I remember doing a track nearby Albuquerque but I can’t recall the name… Rio Puerto is it? Are there some good trails in the area, other Gren owners nearby?

Rio Puerco. Really not much good wheeling in NM. I came here originally for Caves. But Colorado, Utah and the rest of the west is close. Bumped into a few owners, but not been successful getting them together.

 

[hus-iq]

Beware the Toyota fan boys lurking in dark corners of the internet still smarting from the defection of their anointed Messiah, Mr Johnny Dahl to the comfy leather seats of Quartermaster.

The greatest sin imaginable for those that worship at the foot of the mighty toyota temple. The machete wielding zombie hordes slashing down any competitive automotive worship at the first sign of blood.

Are you a poet by any chance?

 

[ADVAW8S]

A post on FB today, take it as a grain of salt as it is facebook. I have removed the name but it wasn't any of the parties involved.

A quick follow up on yesterday’s discussion on the claim that Ineos wouldn’t support the Australian owner who completely submerged his Grenadier in the Pascoe River and ruined his engine.
As many of us suspected, the entire story was a fable. We saw the truck get submerged in another video on the same channel. We knew it was user error. The truck threw a ID 10T code! The fact that Ineos even agreed to work with the insurer was encouraging. Intentionally submerging a truck in a river is something a US automaker / insurer would laugh at, and rightly so.

After receiving a minor amount of scrutiny, the Youtube channel that started this hit-job paused commenting on the video. As of this morning, they have deleted the video and all discussion on Ineos lack of support. A friend on the inside said the YouTuber and his buddy knowingly violated the NDA. Ineos was working with the insurer on supplying a discounted engine. These two have jeopardized the whole thing