Stuck at Cape York

[Logsplitter]

And our experience in Botswana when the transfer box cable seized, was spot on to. We were in Touch with Ineos HQ in Cape Town via satellite phone and they organised everything and liaised with Ineos HQ in the U.K. to get us recovered and parts sent from Belgium at the time. Brilliant service.

 

[TheDocAUS]

INEOS seems to be getting this right - spares to remote locations. But overnight delivery is never an option when you are really remote.

 

[Logsplitter]

Certainly having the right people on your contact list is a great help. I made sure I had contacts at U.K. HQ and Ineos Southern Africa HQ in Cape Town and they fell over themselves to help me. Exactly why I purchased the vehicle

 

[MattA]

Great to see a very positive outcome, between this and the service manuals finally being available my decision to purchase is getting much closer than it was 12 months ago
It just comes down to GVM upgrades and it’s pretty much over line
Exciting times

 

[OkGo]

Certainly having the right people on your contact list is a great help. I made sure I had contacts at U.K. HQ and Ineos Southern Africa HQ in Cape Town and they fell over themselves to help me. Exactly why I purchased the vehicle

Whats a good way to get to know the right set of people ?

 

[RY-Journeyman]

Whats a good way to get to know the right set of people ?

Buy 'em a drink and ask for their phone number usually works a treat.

 

[NQ94]

New John Canny video. What went wrong? He says engine failure. With the amount of oil spilled has the engine legged it, hole in the sump?

View: https://youtu.be/BFJFFipKpVM?si=nAjCmHBKWUZ51yNn

 

[TheDocAUS]

New John Canny video. What went wrong? He says engine failure. With the amount of oil spilled has the engine legged it, hole in the sump?

View: https://youtu.be/BFJFFipKpVM?si=nAjCmHBKWUZ51yNn

The damaged car had bash plates fitted. Do these plates give protection to the oil sump? I could not work out what brand they are. The rear trialing arm guards are definitely Custom Offroad (I have them on my car).

 

[Tazzieman]

The rear trialing arm gaurds are definitely Custom Offroad (I have them on my car)

So do I. The trialing ones. It's how we pronounce trail in Australia after all

 

[TheDocAUS]

So do I. The trialing ones. It's how we pronounce trail in Australia after all

It took me ages to get use to Trialmaster, now I cannot get Trailing arm protectors right.

 

[CRH]

New John Canny video. What went wrong? He says engine failure. With the amount of oil spilled has the engine legged it, hole in the sump?

View: https://youtu.be/BFJFFipKpVM?si=nAjCmHBKWUZ51yNn

I know nothing, seriously, I am a complete dimwit. One of the water crossings was extremely high, this vehicle had no form of raised air intake, yes, I know the Ineos version isn't much use but we don't know if any have been adapted. Could an intake of water cause the engine to lose all the oil or does it just always come to a stop?

 

[Tazzieman]

It took me ages to get use to Trialmaster, now I cannot get Trailing arm protectors right.

Just get a pair of them Stucom Offraod ones!

 

[NQ94]

I know nothing, seriously, I am a complete dimwit. One of the water crossings was extremely high, this vehicle had no form of raised air intake, yes, I know the Ineos version isn't much use but we don't know if any have been adapted. Could an intake of water cause the engine to lose all the oil or does it just always come to a stop?

He looked like he was a fair distance from water. Most terrain induced hydrolocks occur in the water or very close to where the deep water was crossed. There is two outcomes, a slightly bent connecting rod to the piston where the engine will run rough and be smokey or the engine ingests that much water that can't be compressed and create new inspection ports as arms and legs exit the engine as well as lots of oil and noise.
It is possible to cross deep water with enough momentum and not have water entre the intake or the intake pipe work has a good pipe design that air can still pass with some water in the intake pipes but it is generally a very risky venture without a water tight snorkel.
There is a number of other reasons the engine can self hyrolock causing the internals to exit.
From his videos we don't really know if the engine has developed a major oil leak causing major engine damage unrelated to the terrain.

 

[Steve.B]

The damaged car had bash plates fitted. Do these plates give protection to the oil sump? I could not work out what brand they are. The rear trialing arm gaurds are definitely Custom Offroad (I have them on my car).

Yes don't sweat it, they give much more protection than factory, but like safety glasses sometimes things get through on obscure angles.
It would not be difficult to work out where the massive oil leak was coming from with that amount of oil, I am guessing no one on the video was more than moderately mechanically minded, they had several hours to investigate while they were waiting for the flatbed truck.
It was the only vehicle in the convoy without a raised air intake, no one had a snorkel.
I will sea how easy or hard it is, or if it is even possible to disassemble and reassemble and seal the raised air intakes with Sikaflex and make it in to a snorkel very soon, but like NQ94 said it won't be a thrown rod from compression lock.
I put 2 small holes in a long range fuel tank on the old telegraph track in 1996, one on the bottom with a dent, and one on the back where you would think it was almost impossible also with a dent.

 

[Tazzieman]

Rocks break things. I speculate a hard oil line was hit and with subsequent flex over corrugations , eventually split.
That said , just a theory to add to the dozens out there!

 

[NQ94]

Rocks break things. I speculate a hard oil line was hit and with subsequent flex over corrugations , eventually split.
That said , just a theory to add to the dozens out there!

Turbo drain or oil cooler, they're low on the engine and spill lots of oil. They only need to be hit by a rock or get a small rock vibrating caught between guards and parts to cause a decent leak. Guessing the leak is low because there was nothing said about burning smells or smoke.

 

[NQ94]

Not Stuck at the Cape but to continue on, John's Cape trip part 3. Everyone's Ineos review.

View: https://youtu.be/ch91O8HXcHw?si=_gPjTUYn_FVR2Vla

 

[Tazzieman]

New engine cheaper than repair.
Pray this doesn't happen to any of us.

View: https://youtu.be/h1Ayay0d0cs?si=gnw4t-dN4aWh7Gi1

 

[TheDocAUS]

View: https://youtu.be/h1Ayay0d0cs?si=gnw4t-dN4aWh7Gi1

I will have more to say, but INEOS and Budget seem to have done the right thing. With such a catastrophic failure, it takes time.

I had a modest failure remote with my new Stockman trailer. I paid to have it fixed and then the maker reimbursed the costs, promptly and without dramas (they stood behind their product - thank you Stockman). Failure was due to a shock absorber nut not being properly torqued. It was the first trip for the trailer and it failed early on. I even checked the trailer about 30 minutes before the failure. Nut came off, shock hits ground and is damaged, spring pops out. Trailer cannot be driven, but minimal damage otherwise.

I have fitted a sealed snorkel with airbox to my IG. The final factor which made me buy it, was seeing more than one INEOS on that Cape York trip go over the 800mm max wading depth across the river, Only for a short time, but that is enough for water to work its way into the motor and hydro lock it. You do not need much water in the airbox. Result new engine. That is one possible cause.

MY mate who worked at 4X4 workshops in the Kimberley has seen quite a few cars in for repairs, which were suppose to have sealed snorkels. but poor installation meant water got in. The reason why I drove to Melbourne to have GrenX fit the sealed snorkel and not an agent.

When I saw a couple go over the max wading depth, I thought then and there they were lucky not to hydro the motor. But it may have just taken a bit longer for the water to get to the motor. If that was the cause, still a big if.

It is BS they are not saying what is wrong with the motor, but you need a new motor. They know.