Ronny Dahl Bought a Quartermaster

[Tazzieman]

Those guys were fun to watch, but they have become and endless commercial endorsement…

The amount of content that is just getting bogged, endless winching breaking things and fooling like 15 year olds just adds to the ennui.

 

[TheDocAUS]

The amount of content that is just getting bogged, endless winching breaking things and fooling like 15 year olds just adds to the ennui.

Very much the theme of 24/7 4WD and All for Adventure.

Success for me is to drive in and drive out, with minimal breakages. Breakages are a reality of remote travel, but deliberately destroying your car is not for me.

I will just helicopter in, but only rarely!

Derby – The Doc's Blog

thedocaus.com

 

[NQ94]

H

The nasty Toyota owners have come out in force.

View: https://youtu.be/iS8DFA3E1nc

Has to be expected, there would be just as many other 4x4 brand owners giving him negative comments. As a Land Cruiser 70 owner he would be use to the flack from other 4x4 brand owners.
Negative comments go with YT and social media, even the good, accurate YT channels cop their fair share of negative feedback.

 

[LabRat]

The nasty Toyota owners have come out in force.

View: https://youtu.be/iS8DFA3E1nc

Well the smartassed comment about his winch recovery video forced me to actually go watch it. Who knew that the IG is the only one with actual load rated recovery points.

 

[CRH]

Well the smartassed comment about his winch recovery video forced me to actually go watch it. Who knew that the IG is the only one with actual load rated recovery points.

What ratings were they?

 

[TheDocAUS]

What ratings were they?

Robert Pepper in this article states:

The vehicle has, and massive kudos to INEOS here, two recovery points at the front and two at the rear, rated for 4000kg and 3500kg respectively. Oddly, the front ones don’t fully accept a 4.75t AS2741 shackle unless the pin is inserted from below, an oversight in my view, but otherwise all four are well-placed.

In short, 4,000kg front, 3,500kg rear.

 

[Steve.B]

There is a new video out by sidetracked worth watching if you google "sidetracked Ineos grenadier" .
They are Australian, but spent a week in Africa testing a Grenadier.

 

[TheDocAUS]

There is a new video out by sidetracked worth watching if you google "sidetracked Ineos grenadier" .
They are Australian, but spent a week in Africa testing a Grenadier.

View: https://youtu.be/O3J9t8k3hTA

 

[Clark Kent]

There is a new video out by sidetracked worth watching if you google "sidetracked Ineos grenadier" .
They are Australian, but spent a week in Africa testing a Grenadier.

They get it

 

[CRH]

Robert Pepper in this article states:


In short, 4,000kg front, 3,500kg rear.

Please explain because I am stupid/completely new to proper 4x4. Is the rating per recovery point or both, would using both increase the rating. Are they any lower/higher/same as the ones that get added by aftermarket companies on on things like a Jeep or Prado Landcruiser. How do you decide if something is too heavy, vehicle is under the weight but bogged down.
How do I decide what shackles, straps and ropes to use?
Sorry for all the questions, I had a light weight tow rope from a previous vehicle but when I tried dragging a large Mercedes estate that had got grounded it started to fray so had to leave it to the farmer to go back home for better ropes. I have now got rope and straps that are excess of 12t, if i remember rightly. The soft shackles are less i think.

 

[Steve.B]

Please explain because I am stupid/completely new to proper 4x4. Is the rating per recovery point or both, would using both increase the rating. Are they any lower/higher/same as the ones that get added by aftermarket companies on on things like a Jeep or Prado Landcruiser. How do you decide if something is too heavy, vehicle is under the weight but bogged down.
How do I decide what shackles, straps and ropes to use?
Sorry for all the questions, I had a light weight tow rope from a previous vehicle but when I tried dragging a large Mercedes estate that had got grounded it started to fray so had to leave it to the farmer to go back home for better ropes. I have now got rope and straps that are excess of 12t, if i remember rightly. The soft shackles are less i think.

The recovery points are rated as a pair with a bridal strap, and are up to the task if used correctly.
Aftermarket ones are not part of the original design on Land Cruisers etc and are a compromise, putting stresses on places not originally designed for those forces.
It always makes me cringe when I see YouTube influencers such as 4x4 24/7 use one recovery point for major recoveries with no mechanical sympathy, a disaster waiting to happen.

 

[NQ94]

G

Please explain because I am stupid/completely new to proper 4x4. Is the rating per recovery point or both, would using both increase the rating. Are they any lower/higher/same as the ones that get added by aftermarket companies on on things like a Jeep or Prado Landcruiser. How do you decide if something is too heavy, vehicle is under the weight but bogged down.
How do I decide what shackles, straps and ropes to use?
Sorry for all the questions, I had a light weight tow rope from a previous vehicle but when I tried dragging a large Mercedes estate that had got grounded it started to fray so had to leave it to the farmer to go back home for better ropes. I have now got rope and straps that are excess of 12t, if i remember rightly. The soft shackles are less i think.

Good question, not enough people understand recovery rigging and the forces involved. Robert Pepper has some earlier videos explaining recoveries.

 

[Tazzieman]

How do I decide what shackles, straps and ropes to use?

If you are part of any recovery process your Grenadier is set up for it.
The recovery vehicle may not be. If they get damaged it's on them ; don't even imagine the drama if someone gets i jured/ killed.
Lots of info out there to read/ watch. Robert Pepoer has probably the best stuff out there. Search his site using recovery , shackles, winching etc as search terms.
To be properly equipped you need properly rated ropes and nowadays, soft shackles. The latter are not suitable for sharp towing eyes etc often supplied by the aftermarket. And standard metal ones, though very strong can be lethal...if connected to the wrong/ unrated place on the other vehicle.
In general to feel you can cover most situations you need ropes and shackles rated at 11000kg max breaking strength or higher.
I carry at least 3 soft shackles, 2 steel ones, winch pulley, a bridle rope , tree trunk protector, rope blanket and winch extension rope as I have a winch.
And recovery boards.

I don't like kinetic recovery straps or even kinetic recoveries unless everything else has failed.

It's a large topic , with many opinions and quite a few options.Don't buy anything from Temu or a non 4x4 recovery specialist. And call the pros if any situation seems sketchy!

 

[CRH]

If you are part of any recovery process your Grenadier is set up for it.
The recovery vehicle may not be. If they get damaged it's on them ; don't even imagine the drama if someone gets i jured/ killed.
Lots of info out there to read/ watch. Robert Pepoer has probably the best stuff out there. Search his site using recovery , shackles, winching etc as search terms.
To be properly equipped you need properly rated ropes and nowadays, soft shackles. The latter are not suitable for sharp towing eyes etc often supplied by the aftermarket. And standard metal ones, though very strong can be lethal...if connected to the wrong/ unrated place on the other vehicle.
In general to feel you can cover most situations you need ropes and shackles rated at 11000kg max breaking strength or higher.
I carry at least 3 soft shackles, 2 steel ones, winch pulley, a bridle rope , tree trunk protector, rope blanket and winch extension rope as I have a winch.
And recovery boards.

I don't like kinetic recovery straps or even kinetic recoveries unless everything else has failed.

It's a large topic , with many opinions and quite a few options.Don't buy anything from Temu or a non 4x4 recovery specialist. And call the pros if any situation seems sketchy!

Thanks, i would never buy direct from the Chinese and worry about anything from Ebay or Amazon to be of the same quality. I have tried to gain as much knowledge as possible but as you have said, there are some many different opinions.
Everything i currently have is over rated. I don't intend to ever be in a situation to need anything but I would more likely need to help someone else in trouble. The Mercedes we tried pulling we had to attach to the front wheel as everything else would have caused damage, which wasn't safe in the first instance, but we were just trying to drag the car a very short distance

 

[Tazzieman]

@CRH

 

[Zimm]

The recovery points are rated as a pair with a bridal strap, and are up to the task if used correctly.

Where did you get this information?

 

[Logsplitter]

Where did you get this information?

In the manual

 

[Tazzieman]

You can pull the Grenadier off a single recovery point. But the force required varies hugely with the situation.
@AWo ages ago posted a generic table of force variations eg with grass, mud , slope etc and I recall Robert Pepper also discussing the physics.

 

[TheDocAUS]

G
Good question, not enough people understand recovery rigging and the forces involved. Robert Pepper has some earlier videos explaining recoveries.

For example:

View: https://youtu.be/P-BswpqqECE

View: https://youtu.be/TfrNDUGdz64

 

[Michael H.]

You can pull the Grenadier off a single recovery point. But the force required varies hugely with the situation.
@AWo ages ago posted a generic table of force variations eg with grass, mud , slope etc and I recall Robert Pepper also discussing the physics.

I did this table for winching, but it shows the variation in force depending on slope and surface.

Grenadier Table.pdf

drive.google.com