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Any news yet on North American operations, dealers and ordering?
 
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[QUOTE username=zvakanaka userid=8997769 postid=1332738785]Any news yet on North American operations, dealers and ordering?[/QUOTE]

Nothing that I've seen thus far. I assume it won't be for a while... though I'd love to be wrong. I'm here with itchy fingers too.... but that's okay cause I need to save lots more money before it sells here hehe.  I might even wait for a 2024 model so they can make a few changes we want, iron a few kinks etc. But who knows.... fingers are itchy.
 

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Unfortunately the Autonews article it links to is paywalled.
Try this ~ not a bad translation ~ a few words might be a little odd:

 

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Or text from original article:

"September 08, 2022 10:35 AM
UPDATED 6 HOURS AGO

Ineos' U.S. dealer network for the Grenadier takes shape

Ineos, the British chemical company whose first vehicle, the Grenadier SUV, is now in production, is gearing up for its North American launch.

Clark, Ineos' executive vice president for the Americas, hopes to have many of the 35 dealers selected for the United States, Canada and Mexico around by that time.

Ineos Automotive has a dozen U.S. employees and will grow to about 25 by January. Clark, 46, a former Jaguar Land Rover and Daimler marketing executive who was named to his post at Ineos in February, spoke with Staff Reporter Richard Truett about the company's dealer selection process and other issues. Here are edited excerpts.

Q: It looks like the Grenadier could get off to a strong start in North America. You've booked roughly 5,000 U.S. reservations. But converting those to paying customers sometimes takes a bit of work. Is it too early to start thinking about how you are going to close these sales?
No. Definitely not. That's why the first hires were for the positions of director of customer experience, and marketing. The [customer] engagement plan will be on a very regular cadence between now and what we call "Order Day" internally, where we would shift from the taking of reservations to the conversion of those reservations into orders.

Can you give an update on the Grenadier launch?
Vehicles are rolling off the line now. In Europe and the rest of the world, we'll start deliveries of the first customer vehicles in the fourth quarter. So, for the rest of the business, it's pretty much hair on fire! But while all this is going on, we've been quietly and laboriously setting up the Americas. We've gone through all the main structural gateways and have set up plans in terms of homologation and certification. We are on target. We are wrapping up plans for marketing, which will be focused primarily on our reservation holders as a principal measure of conversion. It's all fine to make a reservation, but folks need to get behind the wheel to make that decision.

What's the status on dealer selection for North America?
We've had a lot of hand-raisers, a big selection of dealers from all over the country. And mostly in those areas that are of the greatest focus for us. But we are being very judicious in the selection process. We're on the cusp of naming our first dealer.

Specifically, what does a dealer need to demonstrate to obtain an Ineos franchise?
We're looking for entrepreneurial, innovative and quite visionary dealer partners who see the market opportunity for a utilitarian 4x4 to increase customer choice in the market. That is occupying a huge amount of our time. It's a gigantic decision, an incredibly important decision, because these folks are going to be our partners and our representation to customers when we launch. They need to demonstrate that they understand what needs to be done in terms of building community. Our reservation holders have told us they want to be part of something. They want to meet with like-minded people. They don't just want to go on a coffee run but on a full weekend or week's worth of expedition. Potential dealers will understand that and be presenting great ideas for that. And dealers need to be in the right location. Those are the four key metrics we are looking at.

Most new automakers are bypassing traditional dealers and selling direct to customers. Any thoughts of going to market that way?
We have no interest in that. While dealers have been very pleased to hear that — and it is refreshing in today's industry — we need to be making sure we are choosing the right partners. So that's what is going to occupy us for the next six to nine months, getting these dealers stood up and ready to not only receive dealer demonstrators, which are coming around springtime next year, but training and following up with the order bank, the one we are generating, and their own.

Since the Grenadier has a BMW powertrain, does that give BMW dealers a natural advantage over dealers selling other brands?
BMW dealers and European import dealers have naturally gravitated to us because they are smaller volume and they focus on customer service satisfaction ratings and they know how to treat their customers. However, while they have techs and tools and training, it is not a ticket to entry. The main focus is making sure potential dealers have the right mindset, and that they share our passion for the Grenadier, and for what is really an uncommon opportunity.

Will dealers need a separate showroom?
We are not demanding a separate showroom. In most cases, though, that is what we will have. The quality of the dealer partner and the team they put in place to represent the Grenadier is much more important to us. We are much less focused on the setup of the store and getting them to invest a gazillion dollars in palaces. We are more focused on: What is your plan for service to make sure the customer is well cared for, and how are you helping us do marketing and community generation for the Grenadier?

Can you say how much a dealer might need to invest in a Grenadier franchise?
That's really difficult. What we request is certain corporate identity stuff but doesn't include real estate. It doesn't include renovations. It's low six figures in terms of what we are requesting, which is light-years away from other manufacturers. But we are hugely conscious that they make a very positive business case. If they are making money, the likelihood they are delivering great customer service with their A-team is much higher.

What is a good number of dealers for North America?
We're talking about 35 dealers between the U.S. and Canada, and we'll sign one or two distributors for Mexico. We are anticipating a decent conversion rate here, but we are planning conservatively — we like to overperform rather than underdeliver. I think we will have less than 35 dealers initially but growing slowly, conservatively and sustainably."
 
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Any further updates on when some initial dealerships may be announced. Really close to making a deposit, but would like to confirm there would be a place nearby for service.
 
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Any further updates on when some initial dealerships may be announced. Really close to making a deposit, but would like to confirm there would be a place nearby for service.
Nothing official since the interview with Automotive News back on 12 September. I'm really curious to learn of the location of those 35 dealers with whom INEOS is currently in development. I would really like to learn if there will be any "mannequin" vehicles distributed to those dealers for reservation holders to be able to see/sit-in a Grenadier and get a better sense of the vehicle.
 
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IG makes a big deal about not going Direct to Consumer. But, they haven't truly stated why. Is it because of possible service needs of the vehicle? I bought into the Grennie hype because I perceived it to be a back-to-basics, non-frilly 4x4 (the cockpit notwithstanding). I guess I'm getting nervous since I'm sure I live nowhere near any potential dealers.
 

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Direct mfg to consumer selling of automobiles is illegal in most (if not all) US states. Tesla has finagled their way around some of the legislation but it’s not happening for anyone else - especially an ICE bruiser.
 

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Direct mfg to consumer selling of automobiles is illegal in most (if not all) US states. Tesla has finagled their way around some of the legislation but it’s not happening for anyone else - especially an ICE bruiser.
I don't know if that's true anymore?

I keep reading articles, mostly to do with EV startups (but not exclusively) that include some variation on this map:

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If that map is accurate, I wonder if I/we could simply buy direct from a Ineos in a state that allows direct sales and simply go collect it there?
 

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Hey, I'm not in the US, so I don't know the technicality of buying there, but from what I've read, there can be issues of registration in terms of in and out of state buyers?
 

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That usually falls on the dealer to arrange but you still get whacked with the tax you would have paid had you purchased the truck in-state. I live in NJ but purchased my Raptor from a dealer in Florida and I did not have any issues; the only thing I had to do on my own was get the truck inspected and get a NJ decal. That was very easy though - just quick trip to a DMV inspection station.
 
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I’m with you Krabby (also NJ) ….. if the local dealer tries to screw me over I’ll just buy it elsewhere, by using an address in one of the close by States.
 

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For a 70k+ purchase price I’ll travel nationwide. Even if it turns out awash financially you have the experience of driving it back :) provided you have the time of course.
Same here; when I bought my Raptor down in Florida, I actually took an Auto Train from Orlando to DC. The put the car on the train, I had a nice seat and wi-fi, and enjoyed the ride.
 

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I didn’t know they had auto trains here. I’ve tried to use the one in France a few times but it books out way in advance.
 

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The savings would easily justify a flight to anywere in the core US and the trip home with the Grenadier as well.
 
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