Front Drive Shaft Update

[Dokatd]

The real solution is to change the spec of the front axle by rotating the pinion up in relation to the kingpin knuckles. This will be great for new builds, but it is never something Ineos will provide for owners of previously built models as the cost would crush them.

This is the correct repair. And sadly Ineos will almost certainly deny us early adopters. A class lawsuit is certainly possible but that might not resolve actual issues. I would be fine with a discounted housing.

At the end of the day I may end up swapping Dana 60's or I was also thinking Volvo portals. With either I can resolve the issue myself.

 

[evomind]

Yeah.
Were stuck.

 

[Tazzieman]

Yeah.
Were stuck.

Another 20 pages and it''ll be sorted.

 

[NQ94]

Can't really blame Dana for what looks like an engineering cost and time push to get Grenadier to market and paying for itself.
For over 50 years Dana Spicer has had strict engineering and design limitations using standard components to make a driveshaft for any application. Ineos engineers would of known this, there would of been meetings with Ineos pushing Dana Spicer and Spicer pushing back on Ineos, in the end the accountants won.

 

[evomind]

This is the correct repair. And sadly Ineos will almost certainly deny us early adopters. A class lawsuit is certainly possible but that might not resolve actual issues. I would be fine with a discounted housing.

At the end of the day I may end up swapping Dana 60's or I was also thinking Volvo portals. With either I can resolve the issue myself.

What would that cost?

 

[Dokatd]

What would that cost?

A new axle housing, probably $6-8k min assuming they will sell a bare housing. They would probably require the whole axle be replaced though. That would probably be closer to $15k.

Those are just guesses though. But if done right it could help caster and driveshafts in one update. Would 100% change my feeling about my truck. This is why I may do a full axle swap myself, I don't have the patience to wait for Ineos.

 

[Commodore]

We need to start looking at different CV’s. We need to find one that will operate at the existing angle and adapt it to the TC yoke. Who as access to a catalog of CV’s.

It a better CV or engineer a different boot for the current CV.

No way a traditional u-joint is going to live at that high of an operating angle on a full time four wheel drive setup. If this was a part time setup then nobody would be having these problems because that shaft would only be rotating 5 percent of the time.

 

[Dokatd]

I just ordered some appropriate temp indicator paint. I will paint several areas of the t-case side CV including the boot to see if this is heat or a pinched boot. Recently it seems lots of people are coming up saying they have seen excess heat at the joint with one person saying the joint was glowing. I have not seen this, but I can report the joint at the case gets very very hot. I have suspected some heat related issues but dismissed them to a degree. We will see for sure with this paint marking on a virtually new joint. I have a few Grens around me that we can paint as well to get some samples.

Additionally the grease in my most recent joint was very black. It was very much red when installed. I'm concerned we are cooking these joints and thinking it's just a bad boot design.

 

[evomind]

A new axle housing, probably $6-8k min assuming they will sell a bare housing. They would probably require the whole axle be replaced though. That would probably be closer to $15k.

Those are just guesses though. But if done right it could help caster and driveshafts in one update. Would 100% change my feeling about my truck. This is why I may do a full axle swap myself, I don't have the patience to wait for Ineos.

Yeah, I wouldnt hold my breath waiting for Ineos...Look how long a simple software update took.
I just want a slight lift but wont do it till we get more direction here.

 

[Mountain4x4]

Here is Agiles solution for those not aware

 

[terdrocket]

Here is Agiles solution for those not aware

Talk to Agile. They will warn you it induces vibration at highway speed. How much and if it's tolerable is the question.

 

[Dokatd]

Here is Agiles solution for those not aware

We are all very aware. This has been discussed at length here. Agiles solution is not overly viable for most here due to its major shortcomings. It's great for a trail rig but not so much for people putting serious miles on their truck per year.