5 Year Trip in a Grenadier Across the World towing a Patriot X3 Which We Live In.

[Matt P]

Did you buy them direct or through a UK / EU supplier. There'll be a EU / UK standard covering fuel transportation, do they meet that standard?

Direct

 

[Matt P]

I've posted this before in a thread about jerry cans in general -- but I'll repeat it again here since its relevant. When we were in Saudi Arabia, a friend had jerry cans of petrol on the roof rack of his Defender 110. At some point one of the cans developed a slow leak and no-one noticed. Driving through the dunes of the Rub Al Khali, something caused the leak to ignite and within seconds the vehicle was fully engulfed. Even though they weren't traveling fast, by the time they stopped and got out of the Defender (it was him, his wife, and their teenage daughter), they had received serious burns. The Defender was a total loss.

As a result, I'm very cautious about jerry cans (part of the reason I am so happy to have a Long Ranger tank on my IG).

A long range tank was the plan from day one it just wasn’t available, it is now and ours was one of the first to be delivered. This event happened before we got it fitted unfortunately…

 

[hightechcoonass]

One more update re Giant Loop. We found this today. Posted 8 months ago. I'm not sure how they can say what they say in this promo video "Designed to carry fuel or diesel" and push it at Overland Expos, in the US, and then have everything they do on their website, I'll never know. This was at Overland Expo West.

One of these bags will eventually cause serious harm to someone, we were very lucky, all things considered. I really would like to do my best to get word out that people should be aware of the risk they're taking by using this product, based on our experience. We looked after ours, emptied them as soon as we could, filled them a few litres below the max to allow for expansion, didn't make the straps too tight that held them on, regularly depressurised, checked for chafing each night, stored them inside the vehicle when they were not being used so they didn't suffer any unnecessary wear and tear, and they were literally a few months old. We're not sure what else we could've done apart from the obvious - remove it from the top of the trailer while we were cooking, even though it was a fair distance away, which in hindsight would've been sensible. If most people are honest with themselves, I don't think they would remove the fuel from the vehicle each time they cooked or made a brew, certainly not anyone we've met along our journeys but that obviously would've helped prevent this from happening. Cooking away from the vehicle is the other thing we could've done. I'm just being brutally honest here. If I don't say it, someone else will. I just hope people can learn from this, we never want to see it happen to anyone again.

I wanted to talk to them this years the Overland Expo West here in AZ. They bought a spot but did not show up.

 

[Tazzieman]

I could never get my head around petrol in a bag. Except in a racing fuel cell in a car with inbuilt extinguisher.
I can't even get my head around petrol in jerry cans on the sides or rear, on anything that might meet another vehicle.
I'm one of those conservative types, who even wears a seatbelt! whilst driving!

 

[ECrider]

I could never get my head around petrol in a bag. Except in a racing fuel cell in a car with inbuilt extinguisher.
I can't even get my head around petrol in jerry cans on the sides or rear, on anything that might meet another vehicle.
I'm one of those conservative types, who even wears a seatbelt! whilst driving!

Lady Petrol in a bag - the new 'wine in a can'.

View: https://youtu.be/K4hRxW_D9F8?si=fr5ZsoayNX3v_lCF

 

[Bayford]

I could never get my head around petrol in a bag. Except in a racing fuel cell in a car with inbuilt extinguisher.
I can't even get my head around petrol in jerry cans on the sides or rear, on anything that might meet another vehicle.
I'm one of those conservative types, who even wears a seatbelt! whilst driving!

I never really understood petrol in bags either - last time I thought about it was about 30 years ago when I had a copy of a 1953 Jaguar C Type made. I asked for a few things to be changed from the original Le Mans spec and one of them was to replace the rubber fuel bag with an aluminium petrol tank. Rubber just seemed to be something that would be less robust in the event of being rear ended - it wasn't an opinion grounded in any knowledge or science - just gut feel and prejudice.

I have always had a preference for diesel over petrol in daily drivers - better low down torque, fewer worries about fire if you have 20 gallons in jerry cans in the back and you smoke in the car, and generally a longer range than the petrol equivalent.

 

[hightechcoonass]

I think it was a seam failure, or the cap blew off because it was sitting on the top of a superheated black aluminum roof of the camper in the sunlight.

On a side note....
Rubber fuel tanks - I flew thousands of miles in EC135s over southern Louisiana and the Gulf of America.
The EC135 has two fuel tanks which are located under the seats, made of impact resistant rubber bladders. The fuel filler is located on the left side, behind the passenger door.
I hot-fueled it many, many times, waiting for the tank to burp jet fuel all over me! On a side note, I cant hear shit now for the past noise!

 

[Matt P]

I think it was a seam failure, or the cap blew off because it was sitting on the top of a superheated black aluminum roof of the camper in the sunlight.

On a side note....
Rubber fuel tanks - I flew thousands of miles in EC135s over southern Louisiana and the Gulf of America.
The EC135 has two fuel tanks which are located under the seats, made of impact resistant rubber bladders. The fuel filler is located on the left side, behind the passenger door.
I hot-fueled it many, many times, waiting for the tank to burp jet fuel all over me! On a side note, I cant hear shit now for the past noise!

Thanks for your input. The temperature was 18C, the cap didn’t blow off, it’s still on… hence why our thoughts are that it was a catastrophic seam failure.

Cool heli Thanks for more about the fuel system, very interesting. Apparently fuel is transported in trucks by large commercial trucks too, I’ve never heard of this but interesting nonetheless. I’m not surprised you can’t hear very well now, I have a lot of mates in the same boat.

 

[hightechcoonass]

Thanks for your input. The temperature was 18C, the cap didn’t blow off, it’s still on… hence why our thoughts are that it was a catastrophic seam failure.

Cool heli Thanks for more about the fuel system, very interesting. Apparently fuel is transported in trucks by large commercial trucks too, I’ve never heard of this but interesting nonetheless. I’m not surprised you can’t hear very well now, I have a lot of mates in the same boat.

Thanks for the response Matt! I really enjoy your videos! Someone posted on Advrider that they removed the outer bag from their Giant Loop bag, and it has "Fuel Safe" label on the inner core of the bag.

See here where I posted your info on the Advrider forum to let the bikers know and be more careful using these bags.

Giant Loop fuel bag seam faliure?

This happened to a family I follow on Youtube. This should be mentioned here... [IMG] [MEDIA]

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