Workshop Manuals available?

[Jiman01]

@Krabby,

Make a deal with Ineos to give you full access and have forum membership pricing (monthly, yearly, lifetime, etc…). It’s good for the forum and cheaper in the long run for us.

 

[grnamin]

Maybe the manual will outline a way to bypass the brake press requirement for ignition so that we can finally get remote start installed.

 

[Jean Mercier]

I wonder if the manual will include maintenance reminder reset instructions.

You are toooooooo optimistic, You will need to buy their computer and software for that.

 

[Clark Kent]

Maybe the manual will outline a way to bypass the brake press requirement for ignition so that we can finally get remote start installed.

 

[Tazzieman]

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I can be more inclusive

View: https://youtu.be/pK5pDg_JJk0?feature=shared

 

[trobex]

Should be free for life... we were not promised a paid service for manuals were we?

 

[HugoB]

Sounds like it's not actually a manual but some sort of interactive diagnosis tool. Perhaps that's why it requires user access and probably has some cost to run. However, charging customers for that seems crazy to me. Just develop a PDF version and share it? Seems to me that would create much more community interest and creativity around the Grenadier platform too.

 

[Jiman01]

Should be free for life... we were not promised a paid service for manuals were we?

You're 100% right!!! But that's been INEOS's problem from the start.

 

[Tazzieman]

BMW have a subscription manual.
But can you afford it?

 

[NQ94]

Is there anywhere in the sales literature that Ineos said the manual would be free? There has to be an expectation the manual has to have some cost for users. VIN/seriel number based systems are expensive to keep up to date with relevant TSBs and procedure changes.
There are us independent techs that are just as interested in Grenadiers so hoping there will eventually there will be a subscription or PDF version available to independent shops.
I am keen to see and read the peoples repair solutions when the manuals are in use.

 

[Clark Kent]

Is there anywhere in the sales literature tha Ineos said the manual would be free? There has to be an expectation the manual has to have some cost for users. VIN/seriel number based systems are expensive to keep up to date with relevent TSBs and procedure changes.
There are us independent techs that are just as interested in Grenadiers so hoping there will eventually there will be a subscription or PDF version available to independent shops.
I am keen to see and read the peoples repair solutions when the manuals are in are in use.

Thank you @NQ94. IA said they would provide access/owners will be able to access. They never committed to providing access from day one of first market launch or said it would be free. They're now finally opening up access and some folks are blowing steam about not good enough Ineos.
That saying about warm round diamonds comes to mind

 

[carlg007]

Should be free for life... we were not promised a paid service for manuals were we?

Yep! This is the classic "bait and switch". We were promised one thing and then deliver another. For the people that are satisfied with 12 months of access you really need to rethink this. To me this just seems like another slap in the face!

 

[bakepl]

My VIN is 1312, no e-mail yet. But do I still need it? During the last two years I dismounted (and sometimes broke) a lot of things and I know the electrics quite well! Better late than never anyway.
And only free for 12 months! And after that? How much?

I'm also an early adopter but will not receive an email. The email provider that I used when buying the Ineos no longer exists. Ineos are unable to change account holder email addresses. (as bizarre as this sounds). They asked that I create another account with my new email and they would transfer my build/purchase details over to the new account... but alas... Ineos found they cannot transfer details from one account to another. FFS. Onwards and upwards I guess - perhaps I'll receive a letter.

 

[[ Adam ]]

Yep! This is the classic "bait and switch". We were promised one thing and then deliver another. For the people that are satisfied with 12 months of access you really need to rethink this. To me this just seems like another slap in the face!

Is there any other vendor in the world who has given free access to any sort of workshop manual to buyers? I certainly can't think of any.

Is it what I want? No. I want a paper manual. As it turns out, those basically don't exist anymore.

Is it free, and thus above and beyond what was promised? yes.

Is it a bait and switch? No.

 

[acky]

Im wondering if i will see the manuals at all, i bought secondhand, less than a year old (June 24 delivered)
Hoping someone will "share" !!

 

[Tazzieman]

Im wondering if i will see the manuals at all, i bought secondhand, less than a year old (June 24 delivered)
Hoping someone will "share" !!

You may fit the definition of a pessimistic optimist. It's a real thing.
Then again being a realist is a much less angsty path to tread in life

 

[Clark Kent]

Im wondering if i will see the manuals at all, i bought secondhand, less than a year old (June 24 delivered)
Hoping someone will "share" !!

Ineos need to be able to contact the current owner in the event of safety recalls (different to service campaigns). The warranty is also transferable to a new owner. Jump on the website and use the chat to register yourself as the new owner. Once they have a profile set up for you then use the chat again to ask to be invited to register for access to the manuals.

Warranty

Find out more about INEOS Automotive’s new vehicle warranty policy. Read more here.

ineosgrenadier.com

 

[grnamin]

Ineos need to be able to contact the current owner in the event of safety recalls (different to service campaigns). The warranty is also transferable to a new owner. Jump on the website and use the chat to register yourself as the new owner. Once they have a profile set up for you then use the chat again to ask to be invited to register for access to the manuals.

Warranty

Find out more about INEOS Automotive’s new vehicle warranty policy. Read more here.

ineosgrenadier.com

Hence the need for a VIN to register for the manual.

 

[holdmybeer]

I don't expect a free manual. I'd pay a premium for a manual, just like we all happily paid a premium for a sensible truck. But I expected a manual.

I think what we're getting is an interactive application that runs in a web browser. With limited access. Long term cost not yet revealed. It will (probably?) not work without internet. It probably won't work if IA or its partners has server outages. And if IA goes out of business or is spun out and acquired, the terms of access are also a big unknown.

Printed workshop manual please. Decades have proven this to work pretty darn well. Name your price, IA. I never expected it for free.