Winch or not ?

[Tom109]

I didn't option it either. Got the prewired power, but not the auxiliary battery. Wonder if I will regret not optioning ant of these. Winch, auxiliary battery, premium music.

I went with the high load electrical, aux battery, and even the power take off points. I wanted usable options right out of the gate, even if I decide to modify them later. In lieu of the winch, I'll be upgrading my Jack-All with synthetic line extensions and one or two X-Locks.

 

[YellowLab]

I ordered a Trial Master with everything except the winch - opted for the front hitch so I could add a removable one later if I want or wait for the aftermarket to make an internal one for the front.

 

[DCPU]

opted for the front hitch so I could add a removable one later if I want or wait for the aftermarket to make an internal one for the front.

By all accounts the front hitch is not suitable for use with the removeable winch, or very probably any hitch mounted winch if it's for self recovery purposes.

 

[YellowLab]

By all accounts the front hitch is not suitable for use with the removeable winch, or very probably any hitch mounted winch if it's for self recovery purposes.

Ineos notes that the front hitch plate is fully usable for the removable winch

 

[DCPU]

Is that the same Ineos that has three positions for the fixed tow ball or rock sliders that can act as steps?

This is correct.
We have only tested the portable winch on the rear. We were only recently asked to look at using it on the front and it is a definite no, the front reciver is definitely not robust enough to use the portable winch.

https://www.theineosforum.com/threads/grenadier-winch-bumper-uk-vs-australia.12410691/page-12#post-1333138480

 

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Ineos notes that the front hitch plate is fully usable for the removable winch

I just checked the US configurator...

Towing Mounting Plate - Front​

$945.00

Equip your Grenadier for front towing. Fits directly within the modular front bumper and is compatible with the Removable Winch with Towing Mounting Kit
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I know we've been quoted otherwise as per above.

 

[AZGrenadier]

The American site still says compatible with the front removable winch.

 

[AZGrenadier]

I was definitely late to the party on that reply.

 

[Greg]

I was told re the front towing plate...
"Ineos Automotive strongly recommends against using for a removable winch. It is designed for light tow manoeuvring only"

I ended up ordering the winch as unlike USA where it appears that you can do anything you want to your trucks, here in Aus there are a lot more restrictions so after market option may be a long time coming.

For me, if i can't use a removable winch, having a factory fitted and warranted winch makes life easier for insurance and random road side vehicle checks.

The winch will be peace of mind for solo touring and hopefully rarely used. I am sure the limitations of the cable length can be over come with a bit of patience and learning some advanced rigging skills.

 

[YellowLab]

I was told re the front towing plate...
"Ineos Automotive strongly recommends against using for a removable winch. It is designed for light tow manoeuvring only"

I ended up ordering the winch as unlike USA where it appears that you can do anything you want to your trucks, here in Aus there are a lot more restrictions so after market option may be a long time coming.

For me, if i can't use a removable winch, having a factory fitted and warranted winch makes life easier for insurance and random road side vehicle checks.

The winch will be peace of mind for solo touring and hopefully rarely used. I am sure the limitations of the cable length can be over come with a bit of patience and learning some advanced rigging skills.

Can't tell ya what Ineos will tell us/certify for specific countries - and sadly it almost sounds like the answers vary depending on who you connect with.

 

[Tazzieman]

The American site still says compatible with the front removable winch.

Compatible means it fits. Not that it can pull a 3T vehicle uphill or out of mud.
I'd get direct answers from Ineos on this, even though it has been discussed/mentioned on this forum several times.

 

[DCPU]

The American site still says compatible with the front removable winch.

There is no *front* removable winch, indeed there is no removable winch; it's a *rear* removable winch.

It comes with a NATO plug. If someone tells you it can be fitted to the front hitch receiver, ask them where the power socket is?

Further, reading the current version of the winch manual:

 

[DaveB]

There is no *front* removable winch, indeed there is no removable winch; it's a *rear* removable winch.

It comes with a NATO plug. If someone tells you it can be fitted to the front hitch receiver, ask them where the power socket is?

Further, reading the current version of the winch manual:
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When I ordered the front hitch I was expressly told by Ineos in person that the removable winch could not be used on the front.
They said the front hitch was designed for low speed towing only (logical) and not for winching or on road use

 

[YellowLab]

There is no *front* removable winch, indeed there is no removable winch; it's a *rear* removable winch.

It comes with a NATO plug. If someone tells you it can be fitted to the front hitch receiver, ask them where the power socket is?

Further, reading the current version of the winch manual:
View attachment 7819178

Understand what you are seeing - perhaps it is a different spec for the US or we allow removable winches over here. Not sure at this point - but interesting we see two different rules out there.

 

[Fidei Defensor]

I like the pivoting link, not so much this:

View attachment 7794337

Just wading through this long thread on winching, and came across this. I guess this guy does not value his testicles.....

 

[Jean Mercier]

Just wading through this long thread on winching, and came across this. I guess this guy does not value his testicles.....

I know him personally, he has already 13 kids

 

[Tazzieman]

I know him personally, he has already 13 kids

He is totally mad then

 

[Jean Mercier]

I know him personally, he has already 13 kids

This was a joke ... some got it, some not, I apologise

 

[Ineos1NZ]

I am currently struggling whether to add a winch or not.

I do not really 'need' a winch. But it gives me a bit more confidence to master difficult sections. If I will once travel through Sardinia, the Pyrenees or the like, it would feel like kind of a backup.

On the other hand, I will likely drive the Grenadier on the road for at least 90%.

Ineos offers a 5.5 tonnes winch, the price is 3671,- € - which is a lot.

I ask my self, whether I could fit a winch of that categorie for that price later, including installation, wiring etc. (already have the power panel).

What do you think? What are the prices for something equally good and powerful?

emax

I have a Red Winch supplied and installed by Ineos and even if you are only doing 10% off road you need to evaluate the off roading that you may do. Is it remote? Muddy? Dangerous? Solo? what other recovery gear do you carry? Winches need trees or ground anchors etc.

I would suggest a good recovery kit for a casual off roader may consist of: Shovel, high lift jack and a pair of sand ladders.?

The red winch is good quality and very discreetly installed but only has a 15m rope which would mean carrying several other extensions and accessories

Pros and cons to everything in life

INEOS1NZ

 

[AWo]

Does Ineos mount an emergency off switch in the positive power line to the winch?

AWo