Which spares to carry for remote travel?

[Logsplitter]

Further to the video. I’d take all the things Ronny mentioned . Here’s some extra things I have taken and used on my travels.
Soft fencing tying wire, not HT wire as difficult to bend.
An inner tube to fit your tyre size. Not meant for tubeless tyres I know but will get you out of a situation if a split side wall, this along with a section of old tractor inner tube to put between the split side wall and the inner tube.
Bicycle inner tube split down the middle , this may help with a temporary fix on a split hose.
Hose clamps
Silicone sealant.
Along with a bolt kit I take some 1m lengths of different size s/s threaded bar with nuts and washers. Can then cut my own bolt lengths to suit.
I’ve taken enough engine oil for two or three oil changes en route. You will not find low saps oil which essential for modern diesel engines in more remote places.
Engine oil filters along with the air and fuel filters. You’ll be changing oil much more regularly in regions with high sulphur fuel.
Wago connectors. Much easier to use than connector blocks and take wires from .5 mm to 6mm or .2mm to 4mm a simple neat reusable solution to connecting wires upto 32A
Light bulbs although this may not be relevant with LED lights.
As mentioned hopefully with all the testing Ineos has worked out what are the weak points.
I’ve taken and used spare shock absorbers although not essential to get you to the nearest town.

 

[Jean Mercier]

I think after 1,5 million km they should have known which parts have to be replaced by stronger ones…

I don't agree on this, with due respect
It is 1.5 million km with a lot of different cars. I am almost sure none of the cars drove more than 20.000 km, but I could be wrong, but I am sure none of the car drove 100.000 km.

The tests were stress and capability tests, not really long term reliability tests.
Therefore I don't think they can give advice "based on the test vehicles" what kind of spares we should have if the car get's older.

But of course they can give advice, because they know better than we do, what the weak point of the vehicle could be.

 

[Logsplitter]

Further items I keep in my repair kit are JB Weld epoxy two part adhesive in various guises and a packet of polymorph plastic pellets, the most amazing stuff once formed you can saw it, file it, drill it etc to make any small parts. Just immerse in boiling water to mould into any shape , can re use at any time by re boiling. Great for broken switches and knobs etc.
Windscreen chip repair kit.
Kit is all packed away in the garage so trying to wrack my brain as to what’s in it.

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[AnD3rew]

I'm sure I heard someone say there was also a pre-fuel filter to catch water as well... or did I imagine that?

Don’t know that it is for all countries but yes Justin Hocevar has said that for Australian delivered vehicles there will be two fuel filters, one with a water separator.

 

[AnD3rew]

I don't agree on this, with due respect
It is 1.5 million km with a lot of different cars. I am almost sure none of the cars drove more than 20.000 km, but I could be wrong, but I am sure none of the car drove 100.000 km.

The tests were stress and capability tests, not really long term reliability tests.
Therefore I don't think they can give advice "based on the test vehicles" what kind of spares we should have if the car get's older.

But of course they can give advice, because they know better than we do, what the weak point of the vehicle could be.

Yes I was going to say the same thing. 1.5m kms in different vehicles is great fo ironing out kinks and design issues etc, but it isn’t the same thing as driving one vehicle for 200,000km iver several years. Can’t fault INEOS for that, no manufacturer does that kind of testing, but that stuff just comes with owner experience over time.

 

[Stu_Barnes]

I’d give it 18 months and there will be a pretty good (remote adventure kit) list put together.

Starting with brake pedal switch

 

[DesertGecko]

I did a desert push bike ride a few years ago. I organised it so was concerned with logistics. When we looked hard at what could break on one of the five bikes, and how they were all different components - we concluded other than a spare tyre for each bike the only guarantee was to carry a whole spare bike so that's what we did! Not possible with cars.

After doing remote travel for many years.. I've kind of realised you can only do what you can only do. If you break down .. you've just got to manage it. Parts of the Simpson are out of range of air rescues! Travelling with a group is a big one. Plus these days a satellite communication device. When you are doing remote travel there are so many things you've got to carry that you are going to use (food etc!) .. you can only bring known weaknesses (this will need to be established for the grenadier).

For the defender it was broadly.

- A spare front and rear spring and F&R shock absorber. Plus a collection of old suspension bushes. Over the years I broke several rear springs and shockies. Never a front)
- A obd reader and clearer! Plus know how to use it.
- PDF's of the manual for the car. (when I started you brought the actual paper manual!)
- A miscellaneous selection of electronics repairs stuff. Multimeter, spare wire, fuses, connectors.
- A misc selection of glues and repair stuff.
- A selection of oils and fluids to cover you for leaks. If everyone brings this you should be able to cover a complete fill.
- Know that you should have enough water leeway in case your car needs a drink too.
- A misc selection of hardware (hoseclamps, bolts, nuts etc).
- A trip kit from my LR specialist (MR). Typically a fanbelt, fuel filter, air filter, wheel bearings, clutch kit.)
- If you had plenty of space a top radiator hose.. although these cars are so new ...

 

[DesertGecko]

Ooops.. I forgot tyre plugs. Heaps of them and soapy spray to find the holes!

 

[Jean Mercier]

and soapy spray to find the holes!

Saliva?

 

[AnD3rew]

It is a good video, been getting more and more respect for Ronny over the past little while. Not too much BS.

I have always carried the tyre stuff and the electrical stuff.

Will be good throughout this group to get together some specs on things like.
- what wheel studs
- the common bolt sizes
- all the fuses
- top and bottom radiator hoses
- belts
- wheel bearings and seals. Interested to know if they are common to anything else or are unique.
- fuel and air filters, are they standard BMW or different?
Maybe we need a forum page or doc page that will be just reference stuff for all that.

 

[DesertGecko]

Saliva?

I don't need any more incriminating photos...

 

[Tazzieman]

clutch kit.

Fun job out in the sticks, I'll bet!

 

[Steveo]

Yes I was going to say the same thing. 1.5m kms in different vehicles is great fo ironing out kinks and design issues etc, but it isn’t the same thing as driving one vehicle for 200,000km iver several years. Can’t fault INEOS for that, no manufacturer does that kind of testing, but that stuff just comes with owner experience over time.

Agreed, exactly. We should also bear in mind that this is not the only testing done. There will have also been substantial shock and vibration testing of subsystems to prove everything.

 

[globalgregors]

Agreed, exactly. We should also bear in mind that this is not the only testing done. There will have also been substantial shock and vibration testing of subsystems to prove everything.

None of this intended as doubt/scepticism/critique regarding the adequacy of Ineos/Magna design engineering, prototype testing and production quality control.
I'll also be loading/wiring/attaching/operating various components for expedition use, and while I'm a long term dabbler I'm most certainly NOT an engineer.

Fundamentally my interest in this is around inventory, skills prep, risk assessment and keeping the vehicle as light as I can get away with.
It's a bit of a plate-spinning exercise so the practical experience of other forum members (and Ronny) is and will be most helpful.

 

[DesertGecko]

What I'm keen to know - if I break down in an isolated town... will there be a support hotline I can call who can send parts ASAP. I effectively have this now with my LR specialist.

 

[Logsplitter]

What I'm keen to know - if I break down in an isolated town... will there be a support hotline I can call who can send parts ASAP. I effectively have this now with my LR specialist.

That’s what I’m banking on. . That 5 year unlimited mileage warranty, covers me anywhere around the world as long as I m based in the country where I purchase my vehicle according to chats I’ve had and correspondence with Ineos representatives.

 

[MrMike]

I think after 1,5 million km they should have known which parts have to be replaced by stronger ones…

That's true, the issue is that places like the Gibb River rd and especially the CSR will break any 4x4. Look what happened to the G Wagens on the CSR

 

[MrMike]

Further to the video. I’d take all the things Ronny mentioned . Here’s some extra things I have taken and used on my travels.
Soft fencing tying wire, not HT wire as difficult to bend.
An inner tube to fit your tyre size. Not meant for tubeless tyres I know but will get you out of a situation if a split side wall, this along with a section of old tractor inner tube to put between the split side wall and the inner tube.
Bicycle inner tube split down the middle , this may help with a temporary fix on a split hose.
Hose clamps
Silicone sealant.
Along with a bolt kit I take some 1m lengths of different size s/s threaded bar with nuts and washers. Can then cut my own bolt lengths to suit.
I’ve taken enough engine oil for two or three oil changes en route. You will not find low saps oil which essential for modern diesel engines in more remote places.
Engine oil filters along with the air and fuel filters. You’ll be changing oil much more regularly in regions with high sulphur fuel.
Wago connectors. Much easier to use than connector blocks and take wires from .5 mm to 6mm or .2mm to 4mm a simple neat reusable solution to connecting wires upto 32A
Light bulbs although this may not be relevant with LED lights.
As mentioned hopefully with all the testing Ineos has worked out what are the weak points.
I’ve taken and used spare shock absorbers although not essential to get you to the nearest town.

With that list of spares it does sound like you either currently drive a Landrover or used to

 

[bemax]

I don't agree on this, with due respect
It is 1.5 million km with a lot of different cars. I am almost sure none of the cars drove more than 20.000 km, but I could be wrong, but I am sure none of the car drove 100.000 km.

The tests were stress and capability tests, not really long term reliability tests.
Therefore I don't think they can give advice "based on the test vehicles" what kind of spares we should have if the car get's older.

But of course they can give advice, because they know better than we do, what the weak point of the vehicle could be.

Please have a look at the previous post. It said that Ineos can give advice which spare parts are necessary after the test runs. But in my opinion this is not valid for exactly the reasons you mentioned above. The only help of these test drives is that they had the opportunity to see what parts are not reliable on this distances (10 - 30 k km) I hope they made those failing parts stronger (instead of handing out a „needed spare parts“ list)

 

[Tazzieman]

That's true, the issue is that places like the Gibb River rd and especially the CSR will break any 4x4. Look what happened to the G Wagens on the CSR

The main issue was with shock absorbers , which suggests they didn't perform adequate testing on corrugations + loading

"The total damage toll ran to five tyres, four cracked wheel carriers, one rear view mirror knocked off and a few more damaged, two G 350s with non-operative airconditioning, two AdBlue tanks breaking their mounts, 10 shock absorbers and a cracked radiator hose from a reversing incident."