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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smart_(marque) has a decent write up of the commercial development of Smart; it is a bit of a tangle.
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The exact configuration is unique, as are most manufacturers configuration by design some for practicality and performance and some marketing. but the components from this manufacturer common to Grenadier are used in various combinations by BMW, Mercedes, Jeep, and dozens of other manufacturers.
Yes this looks like you are correct, my bad Magnus Styer makes so many various vehicles in so many owned and rented/time shared factories that I made that mistake. I'm on Mercedes forums too because of my S-500 coupe sometimes i get factories and manufacturers confused.
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Its engines for Defender were, among others and sir jim would have kept the now closed plant open to make his engines. he was going to build a factory next to it. "Sir Jim Ratcliffe, the billionaire owner of Ineos Automotive, had initially planned to build his new Grenadier 4x4 vehicle in Bridgend, Wales, at a factory adjacent to a Ford plant. However, he later scrapped those plans in favor of purchasing a pre-existing factory in Hambach, France. This decision, made amidst Brexit concerns and the availability of a suitable French facility, disappointed many in Wales who had hoped for the jobs and economic boost the Bridgend plant would have provided."
OK, he also could have sourced the engines from other cheaper lower profile manufacturers as well, doesn't hurt to have the branding on the hood "powered by BMW" rather than "powered by Ford" or "powered by TATA"
Niche ones cost double, I know I come from a car family. My brothers daily driver is a niche $250 bentley, his weekend car is some collectable ferrari. When i said high end i meant popularry priced and common, not niche. My wifes lexus is about $80k and considered by most to be high end, my sister inlaws BMWx7 is $80k, My other bros' massarati SUV is was like $130k.. again i'm not talking niche ones like Rolls, Maybach, bentley etc... but the high side of popular priced regular folks models. My wrangler was an affordable $35K with about $20K of AEV upgrades when i bought it, Kinda pricey 16 years ago.
Yes about 3 months ago Jim Rattcliffe visited my dealer in Devon Pa, He brought with him a demonstrator vehicle of current and future factory options including portal axels. I just happened to be there getting my Gren serviced but I had time for a few minute talk with him about the future of the brand etc... The vehicle he brought was sent up from a georgia dealer just for his visit. It had a regular window sticker of over $200k and he semi joking said he'd give me a full new price value for my trade in if I bought it today. I didn't take a pic but there are lots and lots of articles about it, here is an excerpt from one on motor trend: "Like the old G-Class 4x42, the portal axle Grenadier and Quartermaster won’t be cheap: Ratcliffe says buyers can expect to pay about $220,000 for one, roughly three times the price of the entry-level Grenadier wagon. But if there’s enough demand, he says, Ineos may consider making the portal axle models part of the official Grenadier and Quartermaster line up, and that higher volumes will bring the price down."
Why wait for 2 years because of the well hashed out issues, that were never addressed, and then buy it? A that juncture, Ineos didn't miss a thing, the buyer did.
I’m assuming the 200k was a typo - it’s impossible - unless it’s a hitherto unseen mash-up one-off from LeTech and Arctic with an 8 cylinder, portals, etc.
You simply can’t option a Grenadier anywhere NEAR $200k - it tops out just a little north of $100k, with accessories (maybe $115????)This is very telling, Sean.
What do you mean? That Jeep has solid axles and Grenadier has solid axles? That every manufacturer uses shock absorbers?
not a typo, my dealer had one when sir Jim stopped by. Heres a link on the ineos Grenadier website for it.. actually its $230,000.00 https://ineosgrenadier.com/en/gb/th...DIMofjzBhgxRYAJdJA_aem_-u4lLGhAphH1IT6O-PnbLgI’m assuming the 200k was a typo - it’s impossible - unless it’s a hitherto unseen mash-up one-off from LeTech and Arctic with an 8 cylinder, portals, etc.
That’s a custom LeTech unit on portals - that is not a build from factory unit. These are all post production mods. Nothing from factory even gets close to $200k - about half that. LeTech is a certified partner, so these are KIND OF factory prod units - but it’s not stock.
Ineos customer service emailed me they were updating the ADAS for '26.. plus I can get real red.
Maybe, but it could also be that i look at things and analyze them differently from most. That somewhat unique characteristic has served me extremely well. I often find that most of my critics have not been served as well by their observations.
OK, i just cited a $200k Gren i saw with my own eyes at my dealer, and was told on this forum it didn't exist. Well, I was there for warranty repair of whatever known problem my Gren was having that week and killing time looking at other grens. It was there, it had a window sticker just like mine did. The sales guy knowing I had just bought my Gren for cash a month or two earlier told me he could get me full credit for what i paid for mine, about $90k If I traded it in and bought that one for $200+K (i forgot the exact amount). Then todays trigger was your comment i just read today that you had left days ago saying my comment was a typo... so I googled it and the first hit was from the ineos gren website in the form of a preorder page... so in summation I saw a $200+k gren on a Gen dealers lot, it had a regular gren window sticker and the Gren salesman tried to sell it to me. The when you questioned me i found the first google hit for it on the ineos gren website on a pre-order page. I'd say that all makes it a $200+K Gren.
Here’s your exact quote - “you are right, but also my dealer had a factory Gren on his lot for $200k.” I said that was impossible - there is no factory spec that gets even close to $200k. Max spec with optional accessories is about half that. And in your link, it is very clear this is the LeTech collaboration on portals - as I suggested in my first response. It’s really cool and I’m excited to see it - but it’s the LeTech certified mod, not a “factory Gren.”
TOM109: Because it’s quicker and cheaper engineering than building everything yourself.
If "analyze differently" is a way of saying the opinions you present as solid fact are based on little to no data, observation or even using the search button here, then I'll just take your word on how well you believe it's served you, but as for how well others are served by their observations, considering what I'm reading, I'm going to question the reliability of that last statement. All and all I think my tongue in cheek suggestion you live in your head may be more accurate than I initially supposed.
I'm responding to see if its me.There’s always one.Time for the ignore button.
