What an I missing... or is Ineos missing something???

[LC0013]

I find the variability in quality super surpising. the only three things i've had to do in the past 14 months of ownership is a top up of refrigerant so the AC runs well. center the steering wheel (it was just a touch off center and my OCD self couldn't deal with it) and have the sticky door locks fixed. Other than that its just like my other cars.

turning radius isn't super bothersome to me. I have really been enjoying mine.

I believe Ineos did a remarkable job in building and bringing us the Grenadier. Great for a first go of it. Very unrealistic to expect it all to be perfect and they seem to listen and change what they can (if feasible). If not, well the aftermarket is bringing out solutions to certain issues they have not addressed and some that we never thought of (storage molle panels).

They should have gotten an award for the "cockpit" design.

 

[pmatusov]

If "analyze differently" is a way of saying the opinions you present as solid fact are based on little to no data, observation or even using the search button here, then I'll just take your word on how well you believe it's served you, but as for how well others are served by their observations, considering what I'm reading, I'm going to question the reliability of that last statement. All and all I think my tongue in cheek suggestion you live in your head may be more accurate than I initially supposed.

Lovely!

 

[Roach]

@Sean326 curious if you had looked at a used Grenadier.

There are a bunch on the used market (but maybe people have the same impression as you have had ).

People say that its because its a new car but sounds like, per you original post, they have made over 20k units...thats plenty to have figured out the "big" issues. Personally (FYI, not an owner) that is letting them off too easy).

 

[Alex1118]

It’s both the coolest vehicle I’ve ever owned and absolutely obnoxious at the same time. ADAS, AC problems, sat radio not playing automatically, etc. but there’s nothing like it on the road and the attention whore in me loves all the attention I get.

 

[Gaffer]

I agree with Clark Kent. I have owned mine for a year, and driven 13,000 miles. I have driven to family 900 miles away, also on beaches and "grades", brought manure home for my garden and driven it to an evening concert while wearing a tux. It really works for every use I have. To achieve that in one car is a wonder. Yes, locking differentials reduce the fuel economy on highway trips and yes the Missus has a challenging climb when she is wearing a long formal dress and yes the leather seats seem out of place in national parks. But it is only one car and it has to do everything. And it does so.

 

[CrazyOldMan]

I agree with Clark Kent. I have owned mine for a year, and driven 13,000 miles. I have driven to family 900 miles away, also on beaches and "grades", brought manure home for my garden and driven it to an evening concert while wearing a tux. It really works for every use I have. To achieve that in one car is a wonder. Yes, locking differentials reduce the fuel economy on highway trips and yes the Missus has a challenging climb when she is wearing a long formal dress and yes the leather seats seem out of place in national parks. But it is only one car and it has to do everything. And it does so.

My wife said I needed to dress “more like an adult,” so I brought manure home for the garden whilst wearing a tux. That will show her who’s the adult.

 

[Sean326]

Here’s your exact quote - “you are right, but also my dealer had a factory Gren on his lot for $200k.” I said that was impossible - there is no factory spec that gets even close to $200k. Max spec with optional accessories is about half that. And in your link, it is very clear this is the LeTech collaboration on portals - as I suggested in my first response. It’s really cool and I’m excited to see it - but it’s the LeTech certified mod, not a “factory Gren.”

I don't care if it was a chevy mod. It was a new vehicle, It had an ineos sticker, on an ineos dealer lot, with an ineos salesman trying to sell it to me, that i can now order if i want on the ineos website just like i ordered my "real" gren. My Mercedes S-500 had some extra "mods" but i ordered it at mercedes, paid mercedes and picked it up at mercedes, its a mercedes. My AEV wrangler as well. Interesting argument that your failing to make since an actual Gren is almost completely "mods" from the tires to the roof it's all just parts from other manufacturers that ineos did not make or originate except for maybe the sheet metal... and the roof. Additionally a lot of the add on options we all checked the box on when our grens were made were actually dealer installed... so is every Gren not a Gren since it was a mod after it came out of the factory. But if it was bolted on in the factory is it not a mod?... Is it just in the factory or can it be on the factory property... or maybe anywhere in france? using your own words and logic none of our vehicles are as you said "a “factory Gren.”"

 

[Jeremy996]

@Sean326, You are flogging a dead horse here.

It is not a factory build; it is out of scope of type approval and emissions testing as it is an aftermarket conversion. The press release refers

INEOS GRENADIER UPS ITS GAME WITH PORTAL AXLE COLLABORATION - INEOS Automotive Media

media.ineosgrenadier.com

LeTech are doing the conversion and the Individual Vehicle Approval to get it road registered.

 

[Logsplitter]

@Sean326, You are flogging a dead horse here.

It is not a factory build; it is out of scope of type approval and emissions testing as it is an aftermarket conversion. The press release refers

INEOS GRENADIER UPS ITS GAME WITH PORTAL AXLE COLLABORATION - INEOS Automotive Media

media.ineosgrenadier.com

LeTech are doing the conversion and the Individual Vehicle Approval to get it road registered.

I think I’m going to do the lottery tonight as I need one of those badly.

 

[LC0013]

@Sean326, You are flogging a dead horse here.

It is not a factory build; it is out of scope of type approval and emissions testing as it is an aftermarket conversion. The press release refers

INEOS GRENADIER UPS ITS GAME WITH PORTAL AXLE COLLABORATION - INEOS Automotive Media

media.ineosgrenadier.com

LeTech are doing the conversion and the Individual Vehicle Approval to get it road registered.

Looks like a Grenadier to me (I think you are both right):

"The standard vehicle’s five-year, unlimited mileage mechanical factory warranty remains, and a two-year warranty is offered by LETECH on the conversion parts.

Customers in EU and EEA countries can place their order via their local Grenadier retailer, which will liaise directly with LETECH on production and delivery. LETECH will manage vehicle order, the full conversion, individual homologation for road use and shipping to the end customer's retailer for local registration and delivery. In the home market of Germany, LETECH will manage everything from end-to-end. Plans to offer portal axle converted Grenadiers officially in other key markets globally are subject to future announcements.

“THE GRENADIER TRIALMASTER X LETECH IS THE PERFECT EXAMPLE OF HOW THE OFF-ROAD FUNDAMENTALS OF THE GRENADIER MAKES IT THE IDEAL BASE FOR EPIC CONVERSIONS. WITH SUCH STRONG INTEREST FROM CUSTOMERS, WE WERE VERY KEEN TO RESPOND QUICKLY AND COLLABORATE ON BRINGING THE LETECH-ENHANCED GRENADIER TO MARKET, STARTING WITH EUROPE AND QUICKLY EXPANDING TO OTHER KEY MARKETS.”

LYNN CALDER - CEO INEOS AUTOMOTIVE"

 

[CrazyOldMan]

I don't care if it was a chevy mod. It was a new vehicle, It had an ineos sticker, on an ineos dealer lot, with an ineos salesman trying to sell it to me, that i can now order if i want on the ineos website just like i ordered my "real" gren. My Mercedes S-500 had some extra "mods" but i ordered it at mercedes, paid mercedes and picked it up at mercedes, its a mercedes. My AEV wrangler as well. Interesting argument that your failing to make since an actual Gren is almost completely "mods" from the tires to the roof it's all just parts from other manufacturers that ineos did not make or originate except for maybe the sheet metal... and the roof. Additionally a lot of the add on options we all checked the box on when our grens were made were actually dealer installed... so is every Gren not a Gren since it was a mod after it came out of the factory. But if it was bolted on in the factory is it not a mod?... Is it just in the factory or can it be on the factory property... or maybe anywhere in france? using your own words and logic none of our vehicles are as you said "a “factory Gren.”"

This is not a factory Grenadier - this is a LeTech certified Grenadier and Ineos is honoring the warranty because it’s a certified build - like Alpina with Alpina Burkard Bovensiepen GmbH + Co. KG. This is not at all like dealer accessories or the Ineos supply chain. I don’t think there’s anything confusing about this.

 

[Krabby]

Oi. This is growing tiresome.

Can/will you buy a LeTech-built crazy expensive, crazy capable rig through your INEOS dealer? Yes.

Is it more akin to buying an Alpina BMW, Rousch Ford, or Calloway Corvette? Yes.

Will less than 5% of all INEOS vehicles have portals and a $200,000 price tag? Yes (probably closer to 2%).

Have we had enough of this thread? …

 

[CrazyOldMan]

Oi. This is growing tiresome.

Can/will you buy a LeTech-built crazy expensive, crazy capable rig through your INEOS dealer? Yes.

Is it more akin to buying an Alpina BMW, Rousch Ford, or Calloway Corvette? Yes.

Will less than 5% of all INEOS vehicles have portals and a $200,000 price tag? Yes (probably closer to 2%).

Have we had enough of this thread? …

I will second your “Oi” with a “Oui.”

 

[LC0013]

Oi. This is growing tiresome.

Can/will you buy a LeTech-built crazy expensive, crazy capable rig through your INEOS dealer? Yes.

Is it more akin to buying an Alpina BMW, Rousch Ford, or Calloway Corvette? Yes.

Will less than 5% of all INEOS vehicles have portals and a $200,000 price tag? Yes (probably closer to 2%).

Have we had enough of this thread? …

I thought this thread was rather entertaining.....

 

[anand]

Interesting argument that your failing to make since an actual Gren is almost completely "mods" from the tires to the roof it's all just parts from other manufacturers that ineos did not make or originate except for maybe the sheet metal... and the roof.

This isn't accurate at all. While the brakes are brembo, the seats are Recaro, the springs are eibach, the axles are Carraro, etc. None of them are simply off the shelf components. Every auto manufacturer has parts built by other companies. That's literally the car industry. Ineos just sed names that are easily marketable and recognizable.

Toyota uses Bilstein dampers on their TRD Sport and Off Road models, but they aren't generic Bilstein shocks that were sitting on a shelf, they are purposely designed for the vehicle.

There's nothing "modified" or "mods" about it.

 

[Stu_Barnes]

I wonder if the mods can pull up who is the most ignored person in the forum.

Yep. You’re in 11’th place.

 

[Zimm]

Yep. You’re in 11’th place.

Something must be askew. No matter the event, challenge or participants, effort not withstanding as practice, training, studying or campaigning has no effect, I’m the master of 4th place.

 

[Zimm]

Im likely the only Ih8mud OG here, but this guy is as close to Mattlock fun as we’ll get. I hope he stays and continues to openly authoritatively pontificate in as many threads as possible.

Welcome aboard Sean, you’re my type of member!

 

[255/85]

Something must be askew. No matter the event, challenge or participants, effort not withstanding as practice, training, studying or campaigning has no effect, I’m the master of 4th place.

Always just out of the running, eh? You'll catch more flies with honey... as the saying goes.

There are several other Mudders on here afaik.

 

[CrazyOldMan]

Something must be askew. No matter the event, challenge or participants, effort not withstanding as practice, training, studying or campaigning has no effect, I’m the master of 4th place.

That was an inspiring almost-podium-placement speech. “Pennsylvania - Quakers Being A**holes Since 1681.”