a..hole driver!This ladderengine lost the rear axle while driving through the flooded city of Geilenkirchen:
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So always try to avoid driving flooded areas unless really necessary.
look at the waves going in the windows!
a..hole driver!This ladderengine lost the rear axle while driving through the flooded city of Geilenkirchen:
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So always try to avoid driving flooded areas unless really necessary.
My experience of yesterday, going off road in a very wet field was not as expected. Drove onto field in order to check all three difflocks worked. Good news was yes, they all worked. Bad news, sank up to axles in soft mud. Three hours of hard work in extracting myself. One mudguard ripped off but otherwise, all seems OK.I took my Grenadier for it's first run off-tarmac yesterday. Nothing very challenging, just the Kiwi road in Taranaki (New Zealand North Island) but this car really feels at home on gravel roads with mixed ruts. The Grenadier suspension and steering really comes into it's own on this terrain. I've done this road before in my FJ cruiser, but the Grenadier was altogether more composed/relaxed. Steering feels really great off road. Looking forward to getting into more challenging terrain over the next few months.
I can understand that very well. There are situations where even differential locks won't help you. Only the John Deere helped me back then.My experience of yesterday, going off road in a very wet field was not as expected. Drove onto field in order to check all three difflocks worked. Good news was yes, they all worked. Bad news, sank up to axles in soft mud. Three hours of hard work in extracting myself. One mudguard ripped off but otherwise, all seems OK.
Indeed. Out Friday and yesterday where the diff helped out a bitI can understand that very well. There are situations where even differential locks won't help you. Only the John Deere helped me back then.
You were getting shot at because if it were standard or an official option it would have to the type approved. Each variation has to be tested and the test load, (time, labour, cost), would break the company! Jeep sell thousands of Wranglers, Ineos would barely sell dozens in the more extreme set ups, so the cost would make even billionaires blanche.Ahh, getting stuck is part of the game Good to hear that the Gren suffered no damage. Its a tough vehicle.
Obviously, a MT tire would have been much better than the AT tires, but the other piece is that a taller tire would have been really beneficial. Depends on how deep the mud was, but a taller tire might have kept your axles clear. Jeep doesn't get everything right - that's for sure - but I appreciate how they design the Wrangler with regard to tire size; you can buy it from the factory on 31s, 33s, or 35s. Each tire-size comes with full clearance (no rubbing), proper suspension geometry, proper gear ratios in the axles (3.73, 4.10, and 4.56), and a full-size spare mounted in the stock location. But this is what happened when I first argued that the Grenadier should have been engineered in such a way that adding taller tires would be easier
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You were getting shot at because if it were standard or an official option it would have to the type approved. Each variation has to be tested and the test load, (time, labour, cost), would break the company! Jeep sell thousands of Wranglers, Ineos would barely sell dozens in the more extreme set ups, so the cost would make even billionaires blanche.
The bigger tyres and more extreme gear ratios would also mangle the fuel mileage, which in Europe, is a really bad idea. IA are already exploiting loop-holes to avoid additional taxes for being gas guzzlers. The fact that IA built it at all is astonishing, trying to be all things to all men would be the final straw!
Really helpful, thoughtful explanation. Hopefully no one could feel they were being shot down with a factual response, thank you!You were getting shot at because if it were standard or an official option it would have to the type approved. Each variation has to be tested and the test load, (time, labour, cost), would break the company! Jeep sell thousands of Wranglers, Ineos would barely sell dozens in the more extreme set ups, so the cost would make even billionaires blanche.
The bigger tyres and more extreme gear ratios would also mangle the fuel mileage, which in Europe, is a really bad idea. IA are already exploiting loop-holes to avoid additional taxes for being gas guzzlers. The fact that IA built it at all is astonishing, trying to be all things to all men would be the final straw!
Busy researching a pair of good mud matts. My mistake was going completely unprepared. Lowering tyre pressures, a spade and some scaffold planks got me out in the end.I can understand that very well. There are situations where even differential locks won't help you. Only the John Deere helped me back then.
I've often felt the same way. I always want to see how far I can get. Once I got stuck in a wet meadow with the Defender, just like in your photo. I then fetched a friend with his big Fendt. And he also dug himself into the meadow when he tried to pull me out. Then we had to use the Caterpillar wheel loader.Busy researching a pair of good mud matts. My mistake was going completely unprepared. Lowering tyre pressures, a spade and some scaffold planks got me out in the end.
Merely a flesh wound!
I just checked and the ones I bought here are made by the parent company Michelin in Thailand of all places and even more interesting is to see who they supply to[below]but most BFG are out of USA so they must supply to the European market...I just assumed being Michelin and being French...Have you checked your tyres - mine are made in USA.
Maybe you didn't read all the way through to the last sentence: "But this is what happened when I first argued that the Grenadier should have been engineered in such a way that adding taller tires would be easier." I didn't say that Ineos should offer taller tires, I argued that they should have engineered the Grenadier so that adding taller tires would be easier - for those of us who might want to.You were getting shot at because if it were standard or an official option it would have to the type approved. Each variation has to be tested and the test load, (time, labour, cost), would break the company! Jeep sell thousands of Wranglers, Ineos would barely sell dozens in the more extreme set ups, so the cost would make even billionaires blanche.
The bigger tyres and more extreme gear ratios would also mangle the fuel mileage, which in Europe, is a really bad idea. IA are already exploiting loop-holes to avoid additional taxes for being gas guzzlers. The fact that IA built it at all is astonishing, trying to be all things to all men would be the final straw!
Hi StickshifterMaybe you didn't read all the way through to the last sentence: "But this is what happened when I first argued that the Grenadier should have been engineered in such a way that adding taller tires would be easier." I didn't say that Ineos should offer taller tires, I argued that they should have engineered the Grenadier so that adding taller tires would be easier - for those of us who might want to.
All vehicles are a series of compromises; Ineos picked one that suits some and not others. Being live axled solves many of the issues for taller tyres for modders, but there will still be engineering limits and cost constraints. The current vehicle is 250kg overweight, (based on original targets), so they did not manage to solve all their problems in the time available.Maybe you didn't read all the way through to the last sentence: "But this is what happened when I first argued that the Grenadier should have been engineered in such a way that adding taller tires would be easier." I didn't say that Ineos should offer taller tires, I argued that they should have engineered the Grenadier so that adding taller tires would be easier - for those of us who might want to.
34” or just under would be the maximum tyre size increase legally allowed here with engineering certification and I get the impression that depending on width that’s probably doable for the Grenadier without modifications so for us at least, it probably would have been pointless to go to the extra effort for INEOS.Hi Stickshifter
If I am correct, you can go a little taller with the tyres. Perhaps not as big as you would wish but still, taller than stock.
Merely a flesh wound!
Maybe you didn't read all the way through to the last sentence: "But this is what happened when I first argued that the Grenadier should have been engineered in such a way that adding taller tires would be easier." I didn't say that Ineos should offer taller tires, I argued that they should have engineered the Grenadier so that adding taller tires would be easier - for those of us who might want to.
I think you’ve hit on a key idea here; rock crawling is not really a part of the niche that they identified in designing this car. Not in the sense that it happens in the US. There’s a mid-point where you are still going somewhere, not just out to challenge the car you have built in a park like you guys have.What? His leg's off!
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Doesn't look that bad. Have to deflate the tires and keep the hammer down when mudding. You need the tires to throw it from the grooves.My experience of yesterday, going off road in a very wet field was not as expected. Drove onto field in order to check all three difflocks worked. Good news was yes, they all worked. Bad news, sank up to axles in soft mud. Three hours of hard work in extracting myself. One mudguard ripped off but otherwise, all seems OK.