Resale Specifications

[grenadierboy]

Same here, although I have to admit selling one of my old Porsches a couple of years ago because it's value had become so high it made me increasingly nervous driving it around the city

 

[Tazzieman]

Same here, although I have to admit selling one of my old Porsches a couple of years ago because it's value had become so high it made me increasingly nervous driving it around the city

I figure as long as it's insured for it's value (plus a bit more) you can hopefully replace it.
Though if you DIY and you've busted knuckles and split nails over many years , the car becomes more than it's "market value".

 

[MileHigh]

Are there options available on the Grenadier that only come in the packages, and unavailable à la cart? When I have been configuring mine I’ve been concentrating more on exact features rather than on the packages. But I wonder if we’re a resell being able to shorthand that it’s a this package or that package would help. Frankly I’m old enough that this could be my last car, or at least I keep it until I die. So resale is not really something I have in mind. So the crazy prices for early 90s defenders would be nice to realize after 10 or 15 years, but not the plan

 

[DCPU]

Belstaff jacket and puddle lamps (for UK Market).

 

[ECrider]

Are there options available on the Grenadier that only come in the packages, and unavailable à la cart? When I have been configuring mine I’ve been concentrating more on exact features rather than on the packages. But I wonder if we’re a resell being able to shorthand that it’s a this package or that package would help. Frankly I’m old enough that this could be my last car, or at least I keep it until I die. So resale is not really something I have in mind. So the crazy prices for early 90s defenders would be nice to realize after 10 or 15 years, but not the plan

There was only two packs, the Rough Pack and the Smooth Pack;

Rough Pack
Diff locks front & rear + BFG ko2's - can both be chosen off the a la carte menu

Smooth Pack
All but the puddle lamps and ambient door lighting can be chosen off the a la carte - meaning by my sums that 'option' costs you £350

 

[emax]

Not sure about that, but: Back camera?
(mandatory in AU, afaik).

 

[bigleonski]

Trailmaster comes with most of what I want, but about $2k of stuff i don't. So I'll go a base model build up and spend money on wanted accessories / extras rather than $500 for a compass I have no use for. As far as i can see there isn't any discount value on buying either trailmaster / fieldmaster, other than getting a free jacket.
"editions" are for new marketing, not so much for resaleability I think.

 

[grenadierboy]

In deciding how best to start the "build" my Grenadier and add the options I wanted - I used a simple excel spreadsheet with the two starting points: Standard Wagon & Trialmaster.

The net result was A$400 difference plus no jacket so, for me, there was really no material difference between the two starting points it's just that I don't want a raised air intake

 

[DaveB]

In deciding how best to start the "build" my Grenadier and add the options I wanted - I used a simple excel spreadsheet with the two starting points: Standard Wagon & Trialmaster.

The net result was A$400 difference plus no jacket so, for me, there was really no material difference between the two starting points it's just that I don't want a raised air intake

I started with the Fieldmaster and the Trialmaster and the station wagon and built all three up to the specification I wanted
$400 between them and I preferred the Fieldmaster jacket

 

[grenadierboy]

I started with the Fieldmaster and the Trialmaster and the station wagon and built all three up to the specification I wanted
$400 between them and I preferred the Fieldmaster jacket

So actually, after deducting the retail costs of the jackets, then either the raised air intake or the sarfari windows are essentially free!

 

[Rooballer]

I started with the Fieldmaster and the Trialmaster and the station wagon and built all three up to the specification I wanted
$400 between them and I preferred the Fieldmaster jacket

This is exactly what I did - and came to the same jacket decision…..

 

[DaveB]

So actually, after deducting the retail costs of the jackets, then either the raised air intake or the sarfari windows are essentially free!

The only thing free in this world is bad advice and even that potentially costs 2 cents

 

[Davman]

Thanks for everyones feedback, as expected the opinions vary as much as the available options to choose from.
Given that the question was purely about Resale Value, and what specifications would be preferred to the someone looking to pick up one in the 2nd hand market, I am of the following opinions,

Firstly - People will generally like the idea of the special Belstaff Editions - as they are a known quantity of additional options that are included in the vehicle.
Secondly - A potential buyer will be looking for a car with the three options that you cannot do as an aftermarket fitment - Lockers, Sunroof, Electrical Preparation.
Thirdly - In Australia, car owners will typically prefer a car with Leather and Sunroof - even if they don't need them, and if they are wanting Leather/Sunroof, then they would also expect a car to have alloy wheels.

So this in my book leads to the conclusion that a Fieldmaster, with Rough Pack and Electrical Preparation is probably the vehicle that ticks most of the boxes.

This also ticks the following boxes:
That a lot of people will be looking at this car as a decent vehicle that can tow their large caravan touring the black top, so the extra "Style" options of the Fieldmaster will be more desirable to the towing market - not everyone in this market will like the look of the Air Intake/Cloth Seats etc, or will want a winch etc.
It is still a cracking 4x4 in its own right which can still do more that most people will ever ask of it.
That in the above configuration it competes extremely favourably against the top end of the Landcruiser 300 series as far as specification level, however costs perhaps around $45,000 less. A SW (irrespective of the the options on it), will still be compared in peoples minds with a base level GX LC300, or LC70 Series.
People who want one immediately, and don't really want to wait, probably are looking more at the higher price bracket, rather than the lower pricing bracket.
That people who who are serious about ordering an IG to their unique specifications, colours etc, will not buy a 2nd had one anyway, but will specify their own and wait for their own unique vehicle.

Anyway, these are my current thoughts.

 

[grenadierboy]

Thanks for everyones feedback, as expected the opinions vary as much as the available options to choose from.
Given that the question was purely about Resale Value, and what specifications would be preferred to the someone looking to pick up one in the 2nd hand market, I am of the following opinions,

Firstly - People will generally like the idea of the special Belstaff Editions - as they are a known quantity of additional options that are included in the vehicle.
Secondly - A potential buyer will be looking for a car with the three options that you cannot do as an aftermarket fitment - Lockers, Sunroof, Electrical Preparation.
Thirdly - In Australia, car owners will typically prefer a car with Leather and Sunroof - even if they don't need them, and if they are wanting Leather/Sunroof, then they would also expect a car to have alloy wheels.

So this in my book leads to the conclusion that a Fieldmaster, with Rough Pack and Electrical Preparation is probably the vehicle that ticks most of the boxes.

This also ticks the following boxes:
That a lot of people will be looking at this car as a decent vehicle that can tow their large caravan touring the black top, so the extra "Style" options of the Fieldmaster will be more desirable to the towing market - not everyone in this market will like the look of the Air Intake/Cloth Seats etc, or will want a winch etc.
It is still a cracking 4x4 in its own right which can still do more that most people will ever ask of it.
That in the above configuration it competes extremely favourably against the top end of the Landcruiser 300 series as far as specification level, however costs perhaps around $45,000 less. A SW (irrespective of the the options on it), will still be compared in peoples minds with a base level GX LC300, or LC70 Series.
People who want one immediately, and don't really want to wait, probably are looking more at the higher price bracket, rather than the lower pricing bracket.
That people who who are serious about ordering an IG to their unique specifications, colours etc, will not buy a 2nd had one anyway, but will specify their own and wait for their own unique vehicle.

Anyway, these are my current thoughts.

Hi Davman,

I spoke to my INEOS agent last week on a number of option/configuration issues.

This agent sells a very wide range of brands: Audi, BMW, Land Rover, Honda, Volvo, Ford, VW etc and the chap responsible for the INEOS account said that in his opinion, second hand buyers will probably view the Field & Trial master versions as the "premium" or fully appointed version of the Grenadier and will attach a $$ premium over even a base SW model.

 

[DaveB]

Thanks for everyones feedback, as expected the opinions vary as much as the available options to choose from.
Given that the question was purely about Resale Value, and what specifications would be preferred to the someone looking to pick up one in the 2nd hand market, I am of the following opinions,

Firstly - People will generally like the idea of the special Belstaff Editions - as they are a known quantity of additional options that are included in the vehicle.
Secondly - A potential buyer will be looking for a car with the three options that you cannot do as an aftermarket fitment - Lockers, Sunroof, Electrical Preparation.
Thirdly - In Australia, car owners will typically prefer a car with Leather and Sunroof - even if they don't need them, and if they are wanting Leather/Sunroof, then they would also expect a car to have alloy wheels.

So this in my book leads to the conclusion that a Fieldmaster, with Rough Pack and Electrical Preparation is probably the vehicle that ticks most of the boxes.

This also ticks the following boxes:
That a lot of people will be looking at this car as a decent vehicle that can tow their large caravan touring the black top, so the extra "Style" options of the Fieldmaster will be more desirable to the towing market - not everyone in this market will like the look of the Air Intake/Cloth Seats etc, or will want a winch etc.
It is still a cracking 4x4 in its own right which can still do more that most people will ever ask of it.
That in the above configuration it competes extremely favourably against the top end of the Landcruiser 300 series as far as specification level, however costs perhaps around $45,000 less. A SW (irrespective of the the options on it), will still be compared in peoples minds with a base level GX LC300, or LC70 Series.
People who want one immediately, and don't really want to wait, probably are looking more at the higher price bracket, rather than the lower pricing bracket.
That people who who are serious about ordering an IG to their unique specifications, colours etc, will not buy a 2nd had one anyway, but will specify their own and wait for their own unique vehicle.

Anyway, these are my current thoughts.

I would agree with you on that logic

 

[MileHigh]

I wonder what the long -term supply-demand situation will be.. Also, so they make them for a couple of years and then stop? Is this a 93 NAS110, or is a Toyota FJ cruiser?

Or is the ’model’ closer to the Toyota Land Crusier? Something that isn’t rare, but is special and holds its value. But the LC always flew under the radar, not what the IG will be good at.

I’ve always made rational decisions on cars, with only one ‘bad’ choice- an 2000GJC that I kept for 4 years. Every car after that has been either/and bought used and kept 7+years. I’m due to have a ‘flier’ that might not work out.

 

[Sam]

Reading this thread with interest, but somewhat cynical about this type of thinking

- it's over-thinking (albeit enjoyably so )
- it's second guessing to suit y/our inherent biases
- also to protect personal interests/ investment (understandable)
- so it's basically the futures market

My 2c:

- we're not all that different from each other, and want very similar things
- trust that others will want in the future what you currently want
- buy the car you want
- your one car doesn't have to satisfy the entire market for used vehicles
- what the used market will demand is variety

 

[DedkovCZE]

I think some people would mind roof glasses. Like me. I hate it in all cars.

 

[Spjnr]

Reading this thread with interest, but somewhat cynical about this type of thinking

- it's over-thinking (albeit enjoyably so )
- it's second guessing to suit y/our inherent biases
- also to protect personal interests/ investment (understandable)
- so it's basically the futures market

My 2c:

- we're not all that different from each other, and want very similar things
- trust that others will want in the future what you currently want
- buy the car you want
- your one car doesn't have to satisfy the entire market for used vehicles
- what the used market will demand is variety

Completely agree.

There will be as broad a range of buyers in the 2nd hand market as there are buying new on this forum.

I think my MM Station wagon with all the off-road kit and a towing set up (hitch and camera) will appeal to people like me, whereas a field master specced with all the trimmings will suit someone else.

Horses for courses

 

[DaveB]

I have all of the Fieldmaster and all of the TRialmaster spec
And some extras
Mine therefore must appeal to everyone……………….or no one