Power steering noise

[Eric.S.]

Hello everyone I was finally able to pick up my grenadier yesterday Unfortunately, I noticed at home that my power steering makes a strange noise. I think it's not a normal noise, or? The filling level in the container was at maximum with the engine warm but switched off. The German instructions do not say exactly in which condition the oil should be checked. Does anyone have an idea? I tried to post a video but I always see the file is too big (7mb)
Thank you

 

[MileHigh]

But I think I know why they are ‘silent’ on fixing it. IF the units really are $3k, that would crush them. My guess is that they’ll make a change and never look back. I’m wiling to throw a$500 at the issue, but not $3k- if they eventually ever fix it.

It will be really interesting in 10 years to hear the story about what happened with the steering pump.

 

[Roach]

But I think I know why they are ‘silent’ on fixing it. IF the units really are $3k, that would crush them. My guess is that they’ll make a change and never look back. I’m wiling to throw a$500 at the issue, but not $3k- if they eventually ever fix it.

It will be really interesting in 10 years to hear the story about what happened with the steering pump.

100%, this will be a board thread: avoid buying IG’s with serial #’s or year or part…

 

[MileHigh]

100%, this will be a board thread: avoid buying IG’s with serial #’s or year or part…

I am looking for when these squealing steering pump Ineos grenadiers are a sign that you’re an OG. You were in at the beginning.

“Oh, wow! That one is REALLY loud, it must be a ‘24!”

 

[emax]

... The pump is vastly more complex than an old school e fine driven pump. That is why the pumps are so expensive. This does not fit the original spirit of the truck. But it was inevitably required to comply to regs where the engine shut off system was required. That way the pump could operate when the engine was off.

It's very stupid. I would be very happy to swap to an engine driven pump if someone developed one.

They (INEOS) have shifted the TCO onto the owners; that's their strategy.

The reason for this is that developing a motor-driven pump requires real engineers. Although such a pump is significantly more reliable ...

• ... the pump must be designed so that it can be installed and replaced even with the engine installed in the car (and not just on the workbench).
• It requires a mechanical connection with all the associated consequences, such as gears, a lubricated drive axle with bearings, and also sealing to the outside against oil leaks (like all components mounted on an engine), etc.
• there must be nothing that mechanically obstructs the pump's installation and the routing of the hoses.
• with an electric pump, you connect the hoses and a cable, and that's it, no matter where it's installed in the end: you can mount it anywhere there's enough space.

This saves money in development and, above all, requires less engineering. Any idiot can tack something like this somewhere in the engine bay and connect the electrical cables and hoses; no one has to think about the mechanical drive & connection, lubrication, installation, maintenance space etc ...

 

[Zimm]

They (INEOS) have shifted the TCO onto the owners; that's their strategy.

The reason for this is that developing a motor-driven pump requires real engineers. Although such a pump is significantly more reliable ...

• ... the pump must be designed so that it can be installed and replaced even with the engine installed in the car (and not just on the workbench).
• It requires a mechanical connection with all the associated consequences, such as gears, a lubricated drive axle with bearings, and also sealing to the outside against oil leaks (like all components mounted on an engine), etc.
• there must be nothing that mechanically obstructs the pump's installation and the routing of the hoses.
• with an electric pump, you connect the hoses and a cable, and that's it, no matter where it's installed in the end: you can mount it anywhere there's enough space.

This saves money in development and, above all, requires less engineering. Any idiot can tack something like this somewhere in the engine bay and connect the electrical cables and hoses; no one has to think about the mechanical drive & connection, lubrication, installation, maintenance space etc ...

I really think it has to do with the auto off situation. While my 2016 f150 auto off feature actually works really well, but every once in a while in a situation that needs a sharp turn of the wheel while the engine is kicking back on, the steering stiffens up.

 

[emax]

If this is so (which I can actually not comment) than the auto off is just another "we-know-better" thing which is in an ICE car sheer nonsense. ICE in general run best if NOT switched on and off all the time.

In aircrafts for example, people shy away from unnecessary engine switching on and off like the devil avoids holy water. But in cars, politicians say, it's no problem at all?

The wrong people, because they're completely clueless, are simply proposing and passing such laws.

But I'll stop here, because this obviously has a political dimension - and not everyone can handle that.

 

[255/85]

The wrong people, because they're completely clueless, are simply proposing and passing such laws.

Maybe there is little incidental planned obsolescence on the manufacturing side?

Yes, I know that "planned" and "incidental" are mutually exclusive.

 

[NQ94]

The real engineers would be constrained by regulations, particularly out of the EU to reduce emissions. Like the Ineos charging system the power steering system has been developed for less emissions with systems in standby, same as stop start and auto neutral in the transmission. Make the car more reliant on the battery to reduce engine loads is the modern mantra for power hungry systems in cars.
The BMW engine is primarily designed for a number of different passenger cars with rack and pinion steering with electric assist or hydraulic systems with less loads so Ineos was left to work with BMWs previous engineering on an engine that was never designed with accessory drives in mind, or to be fitted to a small truck and would be too costly to extensively redisgn and production sequence for a car with low production quantities.
The electric pump would be more expensive, heavier and complex than traditional systems with the software development, sensors, ic boards and chips, motors, heat mangement, heavy copper wiring, fuses.

 

[cdsvt]

TL;DR. Is there anything we can do to reduce or mitigate the power steering whine?

 

[MileHigh]

TL;DR. Is there anything we can do to reduce or mitigate the power steering whine?

Leave the stop start on so that the engine shuts off when you’re sitting still

 

[Dlucky]

TL;DR. Is there anything we can do to reduce or mitigate the power steering whine?

Ear plugs….sadly

 

[cdsvt]

Leave the stop start on so that the engine shuts off when you’re sitting still

It doesn't make much noise (maybe none?) if I am stopped, engine running, wheel straight ahead. But as soon as it gets the least bit of steering input it makes that miserable whine. I had a state safety inspection done today, and the guy, who had never seen an Ineos before, was concerned that something was wrong with my otherwise pristine 1000 mile vehicle.

 

[OkGo]

Definitely not consistent across cars. Get a few lined up and move the steering around and you will have different levels of high pitched noise across them.

 

[cdsvt]

Definitely not consistent across cars. Get a few lined up and move the steering around and you will have different levels of high pitched noise across them.

Given that, it tells me that it is something that could be improved.