Americas Don't buy a Grenadier (Steering pump noise and HVAC issues)

[scottyboy436]

Did you ever test drive a grenadier before buying one ? , if so was the power steering on the demo not noisy?

 

[HereinDaRockies]

Did you ever test drive a grenadier before buying one ? , if so was the power steering on the demo not noisy?

Some effectively silent. Some make noise but you have you know it’s there and listen for it. Some are like “wtf is that ? “ from any member of the unsuspecting public

Impacted owners are complaining about the latter category

 

[[ Adam ]]

You give them very little confidence. You think their easier out was to market down market so they don’t need to solve monumental engineering challenges such as inventing the world’s first non-noisy power steering pump?

It's been established that electric power steering pumps are noisy. It was something I noticed when I took my Grenadier to TFL in January of 24. I mentioned to Tommy and the video crew that it sure made a lot of noise as they took it on and off the rollers for the slip test. Their reply was generally "Pretty normal, the newer the car, the more noises it makes". I'd argue that they drive and video more new vehicles than anyone on this forum. After that, I never gave it another thought.

Bruh we are talking about reliably blowing warm air and power steering pump that doesn’t turn heads

Bruh Chevy, Toyota, Ford, Nissan and other still manage to have banger recalls - nobody is getting everything right.

Over 750k vehicles recalled between June 30 to July 6.

Nissan, Ford, Chevrolet among over 750,000 vehicles recalled: Check car recalls

The NHTSA issued multiple recalls last week, including notices for vehicles from Nissan, Ford, General Motors and more.

www.usatoday.com

 

[scottyboy436]

By the way certain members are on here they make out like it's every grenadier that makes the noise. Mine makes a noise but I've gotten over what other people think

 

[HereinDaRockies]

It's been established that electric power steering pumps are noisy. It was something I noticed when I took my Grenadier to TFL in January of 24. I mentioned to Tommy and the video crew that it sure made a lot of noise as they took it on and off the rollers for the slip test. Their reply was generally "Pretty normal, the newer the car, the more noises it makes". I'd argue that they drive and video more new vehicles than anyone on this forum. After that, I never gave it another thought.


Bruh Chevy, Toyota, Ford, Nissan and other still manage to have banger recalls - nobody is getting everything right.

Over 750k vehicles recalled between June 30 to July 6.

Nissan, Ford, Chevrolet among over 750,000 vehicles recalled: Check car recalls

The NHTSA issued multiple recalls last week, including notices for vehicles from Nissan, Ford, General Motors and more.

www.usatoday.com

Ahhh! You’re that dude from tfl. Watched that video ! When I was shopping

I agree, relative to other manufacturers’ recall issues the whine is effectively non-issue. Nonetheless it’s still highly bothersome

 

[CrazyOldMan]

The team behind the grenadier put out an alibexpress variant called arcane works.

Oooo silver ladder! Some leather bits inside. Love what you did off the standard grenadier grill!

Tell me they don’t care about “trivial” things like ps whine blasting at 89db ?

Believe it or not, I agree with you on that - seems off-track to do luxe kitsch when they could be improving some of the more basic elements. Just seemed like a margin grab - instead of finding ways to sell more units.

 

[[ Adam ]]

Ahhh! You’re that dude from tfl. Watched that video ! When I was shopping

I agree, relative to other manufacturers’ recall issues the whine is effectively non-issue. Nonetheless it’s still highly bothersome

Lol - here's my purchase thread in case you are interested :https://www.theineosforum.com/threads/washington-state-to-washington-dc.12413812/

edit: I took a few mins and re-read the early days - it's clear I've loved my Grenadier since day one, but I think I also had a good idea of what I was getting into well before I picked it up.

 

[evomind]

I just picked mine up brand new from Rusnak Pasadena today only to come home to the below thinking for sure Ineos would've fully covered under factory warranty for others.

View: https://youtube.com/shorts/T4atrIgFlg8


Alas, much to my dismay, I come across multiple threads about this power steering pump squeal. I can't believe Ineos service is claiming the above is acceptable/normal. My neighbor who came to congratulate me as I was parking asked me "what's that weird noise?"

I would've never purchased my IG if it exhibited this noise during the test drive, full stop. If Ineos doesn't remediate this issue promptly, this IG will be my first & last guaranteed.

Thats weird, and no, it isnt normal.
If it were normal then all vehicles would sound like that.
I hate when people say owners need to lower their expectations...
Lower it to what?
Expect to have a trouble free new car.
None of this stuff is reinventing the wheel.

 

[evomind]

It's been established that electric power steering pumps are noisy. It was something I noticed when I took my Grenadier to TFL in January of 24. I mentioned to Tommy and the video crew that it sure made a lot of noise as they took it on and off the rollers for the slip test. Their reply was generally "Pretty normal, the newer the car, the more noises it makes". I'd argue that they drive and video more new vehicles than anyone on this forum. After that, I never gave it another thought.


Bruh Chevy, Toyota, Ford, Nissan and other still manage to have banger recalls - nobody is getting everything right.

Right, but they are making an effort to fix their issues.
I think owners get frustrated because things dont get fixed.

 

[Dokatd]

TL; DR: The Grenadier was not designed around the driver, it was designed around its capabilities and is utilitarian by nature. Ineos and dealerships do buyers a disservice by tarting it up as anything other than a utilitarian off-road vehicle *at this time*. Perhaps with further development, they can land on the combination of luxury and off-road capability that the Land Rover and G-Wagons of the 90/2000's embodied.

First of all, please tell me what knots to begin studying now for the Grenadier Fly Fishing camp.

Secondly - The Aussies have the benefit of having lived with and owned the the utilitarian vehicles after which the Grenadier was modeled. They understand the compromises that are made in building vehicle in that mold. This makes the Grenadier a unicorn in the US, and some buyers seem to not understand the purpose for which it was built. They expect it to "compete" in all ways with a Land Rover or G-Wagon, to drive and sound like a 4-Runner. They believe that the price point affirms these expectations.

But its not any of those things.

Having watched the development of the Grenadier, I came to realize the intense investment Ineos made (I would estimate 70% or more of development costs) in all the things we can't see, especially those below the bumper. I'm talking of course about the frame, drivetrain and suspension. It is truly over-built and sized for a vehicle much, much larger than the Grenadier. My local Grenadier dealer has commented to me on several occasions that they had to go and buy tools that would previously only be used in a commercial trucking garage. The Grenadier is in many respects a commercial vehicle with a consumer cab.

Obviously the body-style design was worked up very early on, but it should be clear to everyone that the investment in the interior and driver experience was lacking. In that regard, I think the Grenadier likely has more in common with an Isuzu NPR light duty box truck than any of the vehicles mentioned above.

Edit: I've agreed with this sentiment for quite some time.

I got a good laugh from this post. There is nothing "Heavy Duty" on the grenadier. Bolt wise nothing is oversized. Sure a BMW dealership has to get some larger tools, but nothing that could be considered heavy duty. Hardware sizes are similar if not identical to 90's rovers and pre makeover Gwagons. Axles are no beefier than either the Rover or G wag. Steering linkages are on par with Gwagon. Drive shafts and joints are nothing even close to HD. There is zero commonality between a Grenadier and an NPR truck.

Is the Gren a tough truck, yeah it's decent. Is it tougher than current Range Rovers and such, yeah a bit for sure. Is it in the HD class, hell no.

 

[Tazzieman]

- half of the Aussies are showing stuff they improvised and built themselves. In the US, we don’t even remember how to do that.

Aussies are resourceful and embrace the "reduce-re-use-recycle" ethos, whilst taking the piss.

"In ancient times, various materials were used for anal cleansing before the invention of toilet paper, with stones and broken pottery being common among some civilizations. The ancient Greeks, for instance, used "pessoi" (smooth stones or pebbles) and "ostrica" (fragments of pottery) for this purpose. Some of these pottery shards even had names inscribed on them, potentially as a way to insult enemies by symbolically smearing them with waste."

 

[Dokatd]

If I drank coffee I would have just spit it out when I saw reference to TFL . I respect what these boys have done and built as influencers and such, but come awn. They are still very much new to the off-road world in terms of experience. I will grant you that they can certainly compare a few trucks to each other in terms of PS noise, but anything beyond that..... They lost even more cred when they started partnering with Couch Off-road or as they like to call it now Dirt Box Overland or something like that. Granted it was access to several fun truck models they couldn't have gotten ahold of easily, at least not in one place 30min away.

Again, all respect to Tommy and the rest of the TFL crew, but let's not use them as a standard. I think even they would say the same behind closed doors.

 

[CrazyOldMan]

Aussies are resourceful and embrace the "reduce-re-use-recycle" ethos, whilst taking the piss.

"In ancient times, various materials were used for anal cleansing before the invention of toilet paper, with stones and broken pottery being common among some civilizations. The ancient Greeks, for instance, used "pessoi" (smooth stones or pebbles) and "ostrica" (fragments of pottery) for this purpose. Some of these pottery shards even had names inscribed on them, potentially as a way to insult enemies by symbolically smearing them with waste."

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Ah yes, the seldom-mentioned Greek god of defecation, Dumpiosys. But I’m confused - you’re saying that before you guys uhhhhhh . . . “relocated,” you were Greeks from 600 BC, and that’s why you’re resourceful? I mean, I won’t contradict you if that’s how you want to spin it . . .

Greeks - who else would sit around and go “hmmmm . . . it’s a nice urn, but you know what it really needs is a picture of a dude wiping his bum with ostrica. We’ll put it on the buffet in the dining room. By the way, I had a good idea for a play - this dude and his mother . . .”

 

[Tazzieman]

Ah yes, the seldom-mentioned Greek god of defecation, Dumpiosys. But I’m confused - you’re saying that before you guys uhhhhhh . . . “relocated,” you were Greeks from 600 BC, and that’s why you’re resourceful? I mean, I won’t contradict you if that’s how you want to spin it . . .

Greeks - who else would sit around and go “hmmmm . . . it’s a nice urn, but you know what it really needs is a picture of a dude wiping his bum with ostrica. We’ll put it on the buffet in the dining room. By the way, I had a good idea for a play - this dude and his mother . . .”

Plenty of Greeks, Italians, Asians, Poms and Kiwis here! All resourceful.
And our indigineous desert living folk didn't even have cacti to keep them clean in the deserts. Still don't, except for the prickly pear you guys gave us, not to mention fire ants...

 

[Max]

Keep calling us out, Aussies - it’s good for us. It’s good to remember what’s essential and what is a luxury. Still - it would be nice if the steering pump weren’t so loud ;o)

I watch with amazement in the developed countries globally, the lack of willingness the younger gen's have when physical work is not an option for trade apprenticeships. It really bothers me here as with your country, relying on imports. We will try to keep calling you out but we are the older diehards, hopefully for a little longer...cheers

 

[Max]

Believe it or not, I agree with you on that - seems off-track to do luxe kitsch when they could be improving some of the more basic elements. Just seemed like a margin grab - instead of finding ways to sell more units.

I would agree with margin grab or market research from Sir Jim junior flexing mu$cle and ego