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[Tenac]

As I said above. Clearing normal fault codes is possible, I've wrote a program so I can do it all the time by myself. I didn't faked anything, these were active DTCs and I was able to clear them!
But for write access to the ECU's and of course the DDE/DME as well, you'll need SecurityAccess - this is only possible via the Bosch Grade-X !!!

Yeah totally understand I'm about to look into buying the Bosch unit..... My thought was the level of fault was being cleared? Like maybe you can trip a Airbag fault and see if it can clear.

 

[Dieter]

Yeah totally understand I'm about to look into buying the Bosch unit..... My thought was the level of fault was being cleared? Like maybe you can trip a Airbag fault and see if it can clear.

I know there will be an Airbag error when you disconnect the starter battery while the ECU's are still active. This is a typical scenario when you put your car in a shipping container, the guys who are handling this just disconnect all the batteries. Then when unboxing the car at it's destination harbor, you'll have this annoying Airbag error showing up all the time - could only be cleared at an INEOS workshop.

I think I'll try to replicate this Airbag error - let's try if I can clear it by my own now! - that would be a great use case !

 

[Tenac]

I know there will be an Airbag error when you disconnect the starter battery while the ECU's are still active. This is a typical scenario when you put your car in a shipping container, the guys who are handling this just disconnect all the batteries. Then when unboxing the car at it's destination harbor, you'll have this annoying Airbag error showing up all the time - could only be cleared at an INEOS workshop.

I think I'll try to replicate this Airbag error - let's try if I can clear it by my own now! - that would be a great use case !

Exactly what my thought was as well

 

[joejet]

The globeguard can do the below, I have tested some of it and can read live data but as I’m in the Cayman Islands with no dealer here I don’t want to brick the car by mistake !

 

[Dieter]

The globeguard can do the below, I have tested some of it and can read live data but as I’m in the Cayman Islands with no dealer here I don’t want to brick the car by mistake !



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reading live data is easy, clearing fault codes works only if you know all the ECU's (generic OBD2 readers can't) - and both features are easy to implement (I've done it). Besides that, just look at this "feature list" and compare it to any other car maker they support - it's an exact 1:1 text copy, not a single Grenadier specific feature is mentioned, there is no detailed documentation available. And honestly, for this price tag it's an extremely overpriced OBD2 device for just "reading fault codes & clearing it", IMHO - but this device is currently the only on the market which is able to access all the Grenadier ECU's and read/clear fault codes! So, good for all you are living out of reach of an INEOS workshop.

 

[DenisM]

I was due to get the door locks changed under warranty. The dealership internet was down. The door lock job required the use of their special laptop. The dealership laptop needs to connect to a secure server at Ineos Australia HQ and then handshake with the "mothership" in Hambach.... the result was to come back in three months ..
There is no way they're going to make Ineos-specific codes available to owners. It's the BMW locked software forced subscription model we're being shackled with despite earlier promises....
25 years ago, BMW and Bosch pulled this stunt with the Bosch motronic engine management system in the 3 series BMW. (Same system in the JLR 1999 4.6l Rover V8 Bosch upgrade known as the Thor version..)
The 3 series BMW was competing in the British Touring Car competition. Engine tuners were stymied because they couldn't get access to the encrypted software system to properly remap the engines. This behaviour continues a quarter century later.
While I really enjoy my Grenadier , the about face by Ineos in this regard on their original marketing promises regarding DIY servicing capability as a "point of difference" is deeply disappointing.

 

[landmannnn]

. changing or modifying any settings in an ECU of the Grenadier IS NOT POSSIBLE AT ALL TODAY - only the Bosch Grade-X (original INEOS workshop diagnosis system) has SecurityAccess to the ECU's in the Grenadier

From my understanding the ETGW (entry and terminal gateway) allows reading of codes (omni-directional) by the obd port and is configured to allow just the generic "reset fault codes" to pass though the other direction.

This is an enhanced version of the Security Gateway methodology which is a module between the obd port and canbus. These can be bypassed, not possible with an ETGW. I doubt if this is BMW derived.

To be bi-directional the ETGW requires a token from Ineos which is vehicle and user specific. Presumably this is hosted by Bosch, this token is obtained via the cloud in real-time and currently only Grade X is configured to obtain this token. Welcome to the new world.

There is no technical reason that Bosch ADS X (a more basic device) couldn't be configured to give bi-directonal control, or indeed similar products from Delphi etc. This would require cooperation, fees, licencing and agreement across these brands/OEMs. Nevertheless these devices are at least £1,000 to purchase with annual subscriptions a similar amount. That prices it well above a consumer device, although Grade X will be about ten times that.

So fully in agreement that an obd device will not be sufficient for the bi-directional control that you have investigated.
I also doubt that the Globemaster device will be able to do this, including service reset, unless they can arrange logins and token provision with Ineos and Bosch.

 

[landmannnn]

I was due to get the door locks changed under warranty. The dealership internet was down. The door lock job required the use of their special laptop. The dealership laptop needs to connect to a secure server at Ineos Australia HQ and then handshake with the "mothership" in Hambach.... the result was to come back in three months ..
There is no way they're going to make Ineos-specific codes available to owners. It's the BMW locked software forced subscription model we're being shackled with despite earlier promises....
25 years ago, BMW and Bosch pulled this stunt with the Bosch motronic engine management system in the 3 series BMW. (Same system in the JLR 1999 4.6l Rover V8 Bosch upgrade known as the Thor version..)
The 3 series BMW was competing in the British Touring Car competition. Engine tuners were stymied because they couldn't get access to the encrypted software system to properly remap the engines. This behaviour continues a quarter century later.
While I really enjoy my Grenadier , the about face by Ineos in this regard on their original marketing promises regarding DIY servicing capability as a "point of difference" is deeply disappointing.

It's not the BMW software. It is the ETGW (entry and terminal gateway) which prevents access to read and write, developed by Bosch and sold to Ineos.

But your point still stands.