Locking car and interior movement (dogs)

[Jean Mercier]

Someone just sent me a screenshot of an Ineos Automotive response to an alarm query. Screenshot from a face book post. Very interesting. I haven't got my vehicle to try it out at the moment. Maybe someone could test the method and report back. If it works maybe @Rok_Dr could add it to his unofficial manual. View attachment 7903907

I still have my car @Logsplitter , probably it are very boring days for you without your Grenadier ?

So, I did test it several times, and it works!

But why does Ineos, in the answer of the Helpdesk not explain everything? I don't understand this.

The procedure is:

1. Push the lock button of the key fob and keep it pushed
2. You will see the "orange" direction lights stay "on" (I guess in Australia, the side light is white), even the green ones on the dashboard.
3. After exactly 20 seconds the direction light goes off: tilting sensor is off, and car is locked.

Caution:
When doing it while sitting in the car, if you open the door after "disabling the tilting alarm", the alarm goes off!
To avoid this, push the "open door" button on the key fob! Then you can open the door without alarm.

So the alarm should go off if you rock the car, right?

The alarm is not that sensitive, as @Logsplitter explained. I was some months ago on the roof of my car (using it as a working platform at my son's house) and the alarm didn't go off! My grandson also likes to climb my car, and the alarm never went off.

 

[Logsplitter]

I still have my car @Logsplitter , probably it are very boring days for you without your Grenadier ?

So, I did test it several times, and it works!
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But why does Ineos, in the answer of the Helpdesk not explain everything? I don't understand this.

The procedure is:

1. Push the lock button of the key fob and keep it pushed
2. You will see the "orange" direction lights stay "on" (I guess in Australia, the side light is white), even the green ones on the dashboard.
3. After exactly 20 seconds the direction light goes off: tilting sensor is off, and car is locked.

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Caution:
When doing it while sitting in the car, if you open the door after "disabling the tilting alarm", the alarm goes off!
To avoid this, push the "open door" button on the key fob! Then you can open the door without alarm.


The alarm is not that sensitive, as @Logsplitter explained. I was some months ago on the roof of my car (using it as a working platform at my son's house) and the alarm didn't go off! My grandson also likes to climb my car, and the alarm never went off.

Brilliant great investigative work @Jean Mercier Some more testing needed to totally prove the method. You need a big fat friend or huge bodybuilder type to rock the vehicle around vigorously whilst locked with that method to totally prove.
One more thing Jean. What make are those rock sliders with the integrated hilift jack mounts. That’s what I want next.

 

[Logsplitter]

The strange thing is. Why isn’t that in the owners manual. It’s almost as if it’s a game with Ineos as a company sat back and watching as owners try to work things out for themselves. That should be common knowledge.

 

[Logsplitter]

Oh yes and it is boring Jean without my Grenadier. Most weekends I would be out there fettling with my Grenadier. I love that word “fettling”

 

[Zimm]

Never had an alarm go off with a (properly fed / watered / ventilated / supervised / happy) dog in the trunk. Also not with a person on the passenger seat, until they opened the door that is. Then the alarm went off.

Both cases with the normal key fob button lock.

That’s a dog. You can train them. Other have more pressing issues.

Me for instance. I have always found when I stuff my tinder dates in the trunk, no matter how many refreshments I leave, they still complain and never call me back. The Alarms go off, then the police are called, misunderstandings arise, lawyers get involved.

Cheating on your wife anymore, is all just a big pain in the ass.

Rant off.

 

[Jean Mercier]

One more thing Jean. What make are those rock sliders with the integrated hilift jack mounts. That’s what I want next.

Buzz Overland, British

 

[Eric]

The strange thing is. Why isn’t that in the owners manual. It’s almost as if it’s a game with Ineos as a company sat back and watching as owners try to work things out for themselves. That should be common knowledge.

I think it is not in the owners manual ( certainly the earlier versions) because their customer service people, or the tech people they asked, didn't know at the time the manual was produced how the bought in non Thatcham alarm worked. ( Remember the statement they had to release when they realised it was non Thatcham approved.) I ask IA in late 2023 and they clearly stated it could not be disabled. I think other people got this response when they also asked.

 

[Logsplitter]

I think it is not in the owners manual ( certainly the earlier versions) because their customer service people, or the tech people they asked, didn't know at the time the manual was produced how the bought in non Thatcham alarm worked. ( Remember the statement they had to release when they realised it was non Thatcham approved.) I ask IA in late 2023 and they clearly stated it could not be disabled. I think other people got this response when they also asked.

Thanks understood. Although at some point they found out how it worked as they answered a customers request for details of how to disable the alarm, so they could have disseminated this information to all dealers and owners. I am aware that Ineos reps read this forum so they would have known there had been quite a bit of discussion on this topic.

 

[CRH]

Thanks understood. Although at some point they found out how it worked as they answered a customers request for details of how to disable the alarm, so they could have disseminated this information to all dealers and owners. I am aware that Ineos reps read this forum so they would have known there had been quite a bit of discussion on this topic.

You are assuming large organisations are run efficiently and with good communication. The bigger they get the worse it becomes. I know IA isn't as big as some but the whole group, and therefore mentality, is huge

 

[GN4HIR]

Can you lock the door and leave your dog in the car without a car alarm going off? Cracking windows down and opening roof panels for air flow? Not for a long time either, just running in the grocery or whatever.

When I did that with a child everyone got upset. I didn't see why it was a big deal, he is 24. All kidding aside, assuming it is a cool day that is probably Ok, but you may still come out to a 'Karen' ranting about animal cruelty. And with all the cameras now, it is getting harder to sucker punch a 'Karen' and get away with it..

 

[Fab]

Thank you Jean.
So my alarm may be working after all.
If I can get my old high lift working today, I’ll give it a try.

 

[Jiman01]

That’s a dog. You can train them. Other have more pressing issues.

Me for instance. I have always found when I stuff my tinder dates in the trunk, no matter how many refreshments I leave, they still complain and never call me back. The Alarms go off, then the police are called, misunderstandings arise, lawyers get involved.

Cheating on your wife anymore, is all just a big pain in the ass.

Rant off.

Always bring a bottle of chloroform on dates

 

[Fab]

No confirmation from the indicator lights on my car yet. I’ll do the tilt test later today.

 

[User1]

Can someone explain the difference when you lock the car only once and when you press the button twice?
Is there also a difference for the alarm?

 

[DenisM]

Can someone explain the difference when you lock the car only once and when you press the button twice?
Is there also a difference for the alarm?

Short answer: No .... it's a moot point as to whether it deadlocks the doors... the conventional wisdom here is that a second press has no material benefit.
( trivia: on my (ex) 1999 Range Rover P38, pressing the fob button a second time actually 'deadlocked' the doors)
If you lock the Grenadier driver's door with the physical key (i.e. locks all doors) but do not press the button, the alarm does not set. Very handy on choppy ferry crossings...

 

[User1]

I meant something else:
When i close the car by pressing the button on the key the light turns on (coming home light or whatever the name is) -then probably also the alarm is activated
But then i can press the button a second time and the light turns off
Here is the question if it also deactivates the alarm