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Indeed, a breakfast that you will beat down the zipline. Looks like fun!
Indeed, a breakfast that you will beat down the zipline. Looks like fun!
Yep, but I meant what are the pics about??
Penrhyn slate quarry zip line. World's longest.
Again, I wasn’t talking about you, I was talking about Harry Metcalfe & others of his ilk.
No-one said anything about ‘others’ in general; again, this thread is about Harry Metcalfe’s reviews & in those he’s criticising the Grenadier for things that people look for in general road-focused SUVs not in proper 4x4s.
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But this product is different ~ it's the very difference that Harry talks about in his video. He says other manufacturers have moved on.
I think this must be only a thing in euro models. In the US (and perhaps all petrols?) the Defender is full time 4x4.
Cheers. I think much of our disagreement may be centered around a difference in vernacular. I would also add that, here in the US, we don’t have the Chelsea Tractor abominations (unfortunately it looks like they already have their paws on a Grenadier - prepare for the spoilers and pod lights LOL). It may just be a different segment over there in that neck of the woods.Again, I wasn’t talking about you, I was talking about Harry Metcalfe & others of his ilk.
No-one said anything about ‘others’ in general; again, this thread is about Harry Metcalfe’s reviews & in those he’s criticising the Grenadier for things that people look for in general road-focused SUVs not in proper 4x4s.
To me a proper 4x4 is a vehicle that’s made for off-road use first & foremost. I use the term ‘proper’ as this was the original reason for the inception of 4x4 functionality & I’m simply not aware of an actual classification term to define these specific types of vehicles now that 4x4 capability is found on others types of cars that are built for a different purpose (I certainly don’t use it to insinuate anything derogatory about those other vehicles though). There’s a number of valid reasons for wanting a modern 4x4 over a true off-roader so there is no judgement, it’s just that we do need to make the distinction somehow as there is a difference.
To me an SUV is a road car first & foremost, made for people who want the benefits of the size etc of these types of vehicles (& also perhaps the off-road styling) but have little-to-no actual off-road needs. Some SUVs (like the new Defender) also have a good amount of off-road capability but this is not their primary design purpose. There’s a reason that old Defender owners get so outraged about them - some people have a utilitarian need for a 4x4 & don’t want to be driving a Chelsea tractor. This is the very reason that Jim Ratcliffe started this here venture in the first place is it not?
It is also worth highlighting that I’m British & the term ‘SUV’ means a specific thing over here. I believe that you’re American & that over there you guys use ‘SUV’ as a catch-all for pretty much anything that has 4 wheel drive? American English & ‘proper’ English are also two different things (I couldn’t resist using the word ‘proper’ again - I hope I made you laugh there
& ‘purpose-built’ is not a marketing term - it’s a common phrase. The new Defender is also purpose-built (it's just a different purpose). I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt here as well; perhaps you don’t have this phrase in American English?
Anyway, I’m going to bow out of this conversation now as it no longer feels productive. I’ve answered your questions as best I can & I hope that what I’ve said in regard to the actual topic of this thread has been of some help to those with a genuine interest in the Grenadier. I wish you all the best & hope you enjoy your vehicle of choice whatever that may be.
To me honest I feel a little bit cocooned in the Grenadier as well. As soon as I shut the door I am out of the world. Driving it sometimes feels like watching a movie of someone who drives a car. The automatic transmission doesn’t make it “better” as it is so f…ing good!The Defender Drone
Watching a video posted here of the New Defender being test driven reminded me of remote controlled car...being so electronic and Bluetooth technology I can't see why you couldn't remote control it...not knocking the car just stating that it could be the first SUV Drone 4x4...
Myself, I like driving on a solid platform with shocks and coils but not air...plus what is a 4x4 worth...how do you gauge its value, especially an unknown quantity...I am here for the ride... not negative criticism... happy motoring
Take a look at the footwell and see where you could put the clutch pedal
Mmmmmmmm'yea'nah... yeea'''nah nah nope. . It drives and feels and has the tactile body parts like a G. It's heavy and feels heavier than it is. Toyotas feel much lighter. They have higher pitch NVH vibrations. This is a G in economy mode. Once again, Toyota design philosophy is not a bad thing. Excessive metal where it isn't needed doesn't improve the durability of the product, and burns fuel, and brakes for no reason, and makes things tippy off camber.
Are you referring specifically to the 70 series when you say Toyota? My impressions are different to that.
The tip over angle for the Gren is 45˙, the weight is all down low. IA didn't just make 'everything' heavy for the sake of it.
yea. thats what the demo guy said. we've all seen pics of the double deckers being tipped. static tip is one thing, but momentum counts, and anecdotally if youre driving off camber its usually a bit bumpy. i drove it, and its not a tesla with the weight at the frame rails. that mass isnt ballast.
