does the ADAS & CAM actually work?

[Sean326]

Has anyone actually had the AEB kick in and prevent an accident?
I'm used to active ADAS like in my lexus RXH+ and Toyota tacoma.
I know the CAM doesn't see the road signs and is mostly wrong with the posted speed signs, lots of pics of that.
The manual says the cam will activate the AEB system 2 seconds before impact, then it says "don't test this".... so i tested it, it failed.
I made a video but it won't Upload so I took some screen shots.
So does anyone have any experience with this system actually working the way they describe?

 

[HereinDaRockies]

I doubt its safety features are any good, relative to the industry.

2022 Ineos Grenadier may not earn five-star safety rating

The Land Rover Defender-inspired off-roader won’t have a crash rating, unlike most other new cars sold in Australia.

www.drive.com.au

That being said, your test should use a blow up vehicle. I double the software is programmed to recognize boxes. Remember - there is no radar system in the Ineos. It's purely computer vision - The obstacle needs to be recognizable as a vehicle.

Upload the video man! We need the enjoyment of seeing it running through a stack of boxes. Also major balls for conducting this test towards the garage!!

 

[Tenac]

I doubt its safety features are any good, relative to the industry.


That being said, your test should use a blow up vehicle. I double the software is programmed to recognize boxes. Remember - there is no radar system in the Ineos. It's purely computer vision - The obstacle needs to be recognizable as a vehicle.

For the US the AEB system must be able to recognize more than just a vehicle. Think about people and cyclists and other objects like the side of a building. I think the real question here is what speeds does the Ineos system actually work at??? Without radar and other sensors I would assume processing speed would also impact the ability for it to operate at higher speeds. I don't remember where I was reading this at one point when these systems started to come online but they used to have a minimum speed of 3-5mph before they actually engaged. I think the parking sensors take over control at the lower speeds.

 

[CrazyOldMan]

Has anyone actually had the AEB kick in and prevent an accident?
I'm used to active ADAS like in my lexus RXH+ and Toyota tacoma.
I know the CAM doesn't see the road signs and is mostly wrong with the posted speed signs, lots of pics of that.
The manual says the cam will activate the AEB system 2 seconds before impact, then it says "don't test this".... so i tested it, it failed.
I made a video but it won't Upload so I took some screen shots.
So does anyone have any experience with this system actually working the way they describe?

This is hilarious - has to be a first. I would have put my money on some dude from Nevada or South Africa - not Bucks County. I have to rethink my entire viewpoint on that now. Respect.

 

[Sean326]

I doubt its safety features are any good, relative to the industry.

2022 Ineos Grenadier may not earn five-star safety rating

The Land Rover Defender-inspired off-roader won’t have a crash rating, unlike most other new cars sold in Australia.

www.drive.com.au

That being said, your test should use a blow up vehicle. I double the software is programmed to recognize boxes. Remember - there is no radar system in the Ineos. It's purely computer vision - The obstacle needs to be recognizable as a vehicle.

Upload the video man! We need the enjoyment of seeing it running through a stack of boxes. Also major balls for conducting this test towards the garage!!
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I tried to upload the video several times... the site chokes on it even edited down to 5 seconds.
Regarding the software and the cam capabilities, I know the software and the cam is incapable of discriminating between a 25mph sign and a 55mph sign.... i've got lots of photos of this.
So i doubt the issue with the AEB was not picking out the logo of a vehicle on my solid vehicle sized cardboard wall... Its not lidar, it should have seen a solid vehicle size wall about 6' high and 7' wide and applied the brakes. Based on the proven low functionality of the software/hardware of the system i suspect it would be just as effective against boxes or a Rolls Royce Wraith.

 

[Sean326]

For the US the AEB system must be able to recognize more than just a vehicle. Think about people and cyclists and other objects like the side of a building. I think the real question here is what speeds does the Ineos system actually work at??? Without radar and other sensors I would assume processing speed would also impact the ability for it to operate at higher speeds. I don't remember where I was reading this at one point when these systems started to come online but they used to have a minimum speed of 3-5mph before they actually engaged. I think the parking sensors take over control at the lower speeds.

I hit the boxes at about 14mph per the Grens speedometer... I wanted to give myself some space between the engagement of first auto braking, then manual baraking and eventually the garage door braking with the $80K Lexus and the $100K S-500 beyond that.
My wifes only comment after 35 years of these antics was "you at least could have moved my car out of the potential impact zone"

 

[landmannnn]

I tried to upload the video several times... the site chokes on it even edited down to 5 seconds.
Regarding the software and the cam capabilities, I know the software and the cam is incapable of discriminating between a 25mph sign and a 55mph sign.... i've got lots of photos of this.
So i doubt the issue with the AEB was not picking out the logo of a vehicle on my solid vehicle sized cardboard wall... Its not lidar, it should have seen a solid vehicle size wall about 6' high and 7' wide and applied the brakes. Based on the proven low functionality of the software/hardware of the system i suspect it would be just as effective against boxes or a Rolls Royce Wraith.

The best way to show video is to upload it to YouTube and then link to it on here.

 

[CrazyOldMan]

I hit the boxes at about 14mph per the Grens speedometer... I wanted to give myself some space between the engagement of first auto braking, then manual baraking and eventually the garage door braking with the $80K Lexus and the $100K S-500 beyond that.
My wifes only comment after 35 years of these antics was "you at least could have moved my car out of the potential impact zone"

This story just keeps getting more awesome - hold on, I need to get my popcorn. You’ve got 1)lack of situational awareness, 2)lack of any normal instinct for self-preservation, and 3)an annoyed wife. You check all the proper Grenadier owner credential boxes. Brilliant.

 

[Sean326]

This story just keeps getting more awesome - hold on, I need to get my popcorn. You’ve got 1)lack of situational awareness, 2)lack of any normal instinct for self-preservation, and 3)an annoyed wife. You check all the proper Grenadier owner credential boxes. Brilliant.

I may have an issue with #1, I think I always know what I'm doing and the possible worst case scenarios. Having said that, yes i've had hundreds of stitches, dozens.. and dozens of broken bones, cumulative weeks in the ER and probably cumulative months in the hospital and the odd tropical parasite/disease that defies identification from cumulative years of remote off grid diving sites. #2 is dead on, my day job is real estate development, maintenance and construction. I am constantly getting equipment and people into places where its hard to even walk let alone drive. I also have the usual hobbies, Ice hockey, deep decompression wreck diving, hunting, skydiving, motorcycles, horses, fast boats and am still a lifelong first responder, firefighter, EMT and currently water rescue, dive recovery officer. #3.. at times but we've been together for 45 years, she has wonderful bedside manner and nursing skills. She does have (aside from a halo) higher blood pressure and stress levels than me...
Apparently i'm a carrier of stress and high blood pressure but not afflicted by it .