Are they really this bad? (Software, electrical gremlins...)

[Bluesurf]

The gremlin's are very real. Recently I'm getting tones from the dash without any lights or explanations. Very frustrating and aggravating. I wish INEOS could fix all this stuff.

 

[Commodore]

So my intended use is for overland trips/expeditions of up to a month or two, in Morocco/Africa, remote parts of Eastern Europe etc.

My wife and I need a vehicle that is comfortable to drive very long distances but also extremely dependable and capable off road.

I've owned several old Defenders before, and a couple of Land Cruisers, and am very capable mechanically. However, I'm not good with electrics and besides, any vehicle that either needs sophisticated diagnostic software and a laptop to fix, or worse, must be returned to a dealer to be fixed, is not something I'm willing to risk when stuck in the middle of the Sahara desert, or miles from anywhere in a remote area.

A modern defender has 3x the electronics so take that off the list and from person experience I wouldn’t call it reliable. Really you are left with a Land Cruiser. A 70 series isn’t going to offer the long range comfort you likely want. Maybe a 300 series with some mods to make it more off road capable. Of course it’s also a very complex truck. Buy a professional grade scanner so you can diagnose any issues yourself.

When you start digging into the nuts and bolts of the modern truck dilemma, you realize that the Grenadier is a good value prop. The two biggest issues are a closed off diagnostic system and sparse dealer support. Both of which I expect to be solved in time.

 

[Brandtnm]

I have 23000 ish miles and the only electrical issues I had was a defective ABS sensor that died in a river crossing. Everything works like it should, HVAC included…Y2K (we asked for a retro truck) service reminder software notwithstanding