Workshop Manuals available?

[YIPPE]

No, I didn't receive a confirmation email at all, which caused me to think the system didn't get my request so I submitted it another 2-3 times to make sure
I was quite surprised to get the login details so quickly, especially as my VIN is in the mid 5000s..

My confirmation email after applying via the link no an actual email direct to me, was, to await their email (with the link and request access) as they are giving access in batches. Vin 1900s

 

[Logsplitter]

For my own little manual I have started to collate all the screen shots I’ve taken over the last three years , whether from this forum, other publications and of course the Ineos workshop manual. I’m sending all relevant photos over to files on my iPad, I then label them and they automatically go into alphabetical order. Until I can think of a better idea then this will work fine. As we always use the iPad for mapping, we will always have the info to hand. I may be able to put it into sub folders yet as the workshop manual does.

 

[Logsplitter]

And this is my favourite screenshot for remote travel

 

[Logsplitter]

Ideas for a forum parts manual.
I’ve been looking at how I can identify and list all the parts we may need on an overland or remote journey. It’s easy to screen shot an overall view of say the coolant system and all the relevant parts numbers. It’s not so easy to identify which part number is which on the diagram as for instance it’s just labelled coolant pipe! Of which there are many. So for the coolant system I’ve took an overall shot of the coolant pipes and printed off. I will then go through the online schematic of that coolant pipe system and click on each part number, when it’s highlighted i will neatly write the part number against each pipe and clamp on the plan I have printed off. When done I can then scan this back onto my iPad and post on the forum. Does anyone have a better idea. If we feel that will work we could pick an area each and do the same. We could have a parts manual on the forum in no time. Thoughts please.
At the moment I am looking at the petrol variant cooling system.

 

[TheDocAUS]

Ideas for a forum parts manual.
I’ve been looking at how I can identify and list all the parts we may need on an overland or remote journey. It’s easy to screen shot an overall view of say the coolant system and all the relevant parts numbers. It’s not so easy to identify which part number is which on the diagram as for instance it’s just labelled coolant pipe! Of which there are many. So for the coolant system I’ve took an overall shot of the coolant pipes and printed off. I will then go through the online schematic of that coolant pipe system and click on each part number, when it’s highlighted i will neatly write the part number against each pipe and clamp on the plan I have printed off. When done I can then scan this back onto my iPad and post on the forum. Does anyone have a better idea. If we feel that will work we could pick an area each and do the same. We could have a parts manual on the forum in no time. Thoughts please.
At the moment I am looking at the petrol variant cooling system. View attachment 7906107


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Great idea.

Set it up in the Resource section if you do. Word limits are not as restrictive over there.

 

[Tazzieman]

For my own little manual I have started to collate all the screen shots I’ve taken over the last three years , whether from this forum, other publications and of course the Ineos workshop manual. I’m sending all relevant photos over to files on my iPad, I then label them and they automatically go into alphabetical order. Until I can think of a better idea then this will work fine. As we always use the iPad for mapping, we will always have the info to hand. I may be able to put it into sub folders yet as the workshop manual does. View attachment 7906085

Excellent approach!
In 2023 I created my personal Grenadier website in which I've collected all wisdom to date , incl pics, links etc for easy reference, including whilst on the road. When remote we now use starlink with a laptop , as staring at a tiny phone screen gets old when you are old! So far we've not needed any emergency procedure. We're just not hardcore enough I guess.
I have websites for all my classic cars. Saves heaps of searching on forums and as time goes by it becomes a very efficient way of collating the best information.
Of course I also keep printouts of common/recurrent tasks.

 

[Rok_Dr]

For my own little manual I have started to collate all the screen shots I’ve taken over the last three years , whether from this forum, other publications and of course the Ineos workshop manual. I’m sending all relevant photos over to files on my iPad, I then label them and they automatically go into alphabetical order. Until I can think of a better idea then this will work fine. As we always use the iPad for mapping, we will always have the info to hand. I may be able to put it into sub folders yet as the workshop manual does. View attachment 7906085

Great idea!
Thanks @Logsplitter
Steve

 

[Logsplitter]

Even better. I’ve just discovered how to add text to photos on iPad then move the text around. I can then add part numbers around the schematic and add arrows to identify each part. Once I get the hang of it , then I’ll get quicker. I’ll add to resource sconce done.

 

[NQ94]

Ideas for a forum parts manual.
I’ve been looking at how I can identify and list all the parts we may need on an overland or remote journey. It’s easy to screen shot an overall view of say the coolant system and all the relevant parts numbers. It’s not so easy to identify which part number is which on the diagram as for instance it’s just labelled coolant pipe! Of which there are many. So for the coolant system I’ve took an overall shot of the coolant pipes and printed off. I will then go through the online schematic of that coolant pipe system and click on each part number, when it’s highlighted i will neatly write the part number against each pipe and clamp on the plan I have printed off. When done I can then scan this back onto my iPad and post on the forum. Does anyone have a better idea. If we feel that will work we could pick an area each and do the same. We could have a parts manual on the forum in no time. Thoughts please.
At the moment I am looking at the petrol variant cooling system. View attachment 7906107


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For systems as complex as cooling hosing break it down into subsections eg engine, transmission HVAC or A, B C etc list those components in each subsection in a parts list with only a short titles for each on the drawing of components. Writing long part numbers for every component on a complex drawing will make it overcrowded and difficult to read.

 

[Clark Kent]

Even better. I’ve just discovered how to add text to photos on iPad then move the text around. I can then add part numbers around the schematic and add arrows to identify each part. Once I get the hang of it , then I’ll get quicker. I’ll add to resource sconce done.

Ok, so I'm now in. Umm, it's not speedy

I think this will definitely be a case of divide and conquer or we will all waste a lot of time working on (and waiting for) the same thing. If there is a common interest in forum members producing a pseudo field repair manual I would be happy to contribute my time to assist. It would need some coordination like @Logsplitter has suggested. Assign system-based tasks to a pool of users to produce topics then share them on the forum, that sort of thing. But this would benefit from a template to extract and populate the content into, especially given the different level of IT skills in our community. A template approach similar to what @TheDocAUS posted a while back for developing installation guides would be smart and deliver a consistent result.

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Looking at the slow page response rates I think the backend is just not scaled to cope with a moderate volume of concurrent users requesting content pages via a web GUI that sits on top of a database. As someone noted in another thread; if you go back to a previous page it fetches the content again instead of it being cached (stored temporarily) on your device. It seems to be trying to cache something though because it makes requests for more memory allocation. That's bizarre.

If you think this is frustrating for us owners trying to leach tech content imagine the impact we're having on the dealer and agent network trying to run a business!
I appreciate what IA have done here. We're now seeing a subset of what the dealers and agents see (I think our user profiles are heavily locked down). Given the circumstances and timeline I think IA had no other viable option to deliver something quickly and make good on the commitment. Clearly the docs library is not designed for this level of access and activity. Ironically, I saw similar delays watching over the shoulder of my agent recently so it's not all because the cheap seats have been given away to the unwashed (that's us).

 

[Tazzieman]

It does open up the option of non dealer service/repair centres though. Takes the pressure off the busier agents/ dealers.
For those relying on quick turn around it's a definite positive step.

 

[Logsplitter]

Ok, so I'm now in. Umm, it's not speedy

I think this will definitely be a case of divide and conquer or we will all waste a lot of time working on (and waiting for) the same thing. If there is a common interest in forum members producing a pseudo field repair manual I would be happy to contribute my time to assist. It would need some coordination like @Logsplitter has suggested. Assign system-based tasks to a pool of users to produce topics then share them on the forum, that sort of thing. But this would benefit from a template to extract and populate the content into, especially given the different level of IT skills in our community. A template approach similar to what @TheDocAUS posted a while back for developing installation guides would be smart and deliver a consistent result.

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Looking at the slow page response rates I think the backend is just not scaled to cope with a moderate volume of concurrent users requesting content pages via a web GUI that sits on top of a database. As someone noted in another thread; if you go back to a previous page it fetches the content again instead of it being cached (stored temporarily) on your device. It seems to be trying to cache something though because it makes requests for more memory allocation. That's bizarre.

If you think this is frustrating for us owners trying to leach tech content imagine the impact we're having on the dealer and agent network trying to run a business!
I appreciate what IA have done here. We're now seeing a subset of what the dealers and agents see (I think our user profiles are heavily locked down). Given the circumstances and timeline I think IA had no other viable option to deliver something quickly and make good on the commitment. Clearly the docs library is not designed for this level of access and activity. Ironically, I saw similar delays watching over the shoulder of my agent recently so it's not all because the cheap seats have been given away to the unwashed (that's us).

I hope I can help but I’m struggling with my iPad skills. The Ineos portal will not let you copy any text or send documents anywhere. The only way is to screen shot. I’ve tried adding text to photos but struggling with that as I don’t have any fancy software. I’ve had to print a diagram of coolant system then go on the portal and highlight each individual item , so that I can then get the part numbers to add to my printed off diagram. A slow process so going to take a concerted group effort.

 

[Clark Kent]

I hope I can help but I’m struggling with my iPad skills. The Ineos portal will not let you copy any text or send documents anywhere. The only way is to screen shot. I’ve tried adding text to photos but struggling with that as I don’t have any fancy software. I’ve had to print a diagram of coolant system then go on the portal and highlight each individual item , so that I can then get the part numbers to add to my printed off diagram. A slow process so going to take a concerted group effort.

If you scroll through the help file (the question mark at the bottom of the vertical toolbar) it shows there is supposed to be a Print Preview button. That would typically reformat the content so it can be sent to a default printer (including print to pdf). I think that button and likely some other power-user features are locked out of our profiles by design. For example; we cannot enter our own VIN and see vehicle status info so there's no service-centre like functions linked to our profiles. That part is understandable. If you have access to that info you can probably edit it which IA would not want.

There is definitely the required skill sets within the forum membership to get this done in a less teeth-pulling way. This would be a test of community though: How much do folks want to go the self-help route versus watching from the sidelines and taking pot-shots at IA?
Maybe we need to start a GoFundMe so @Rok_Dr can stop bashing rocks with a hammer and properly retire so he can commit to this? Priorities Steve, just sayin...

I need to sit with my agent again to see if their level of access might make this task easier. If there is useful functionality at an elevated user level we might be able to obtain endorsement through our forum executive for a screened project team to be granted higher access for an agreed scope of work. It would be a long shot, a pipedream perhaps, but also a test of IA's willingness to engage with the forum on common interest outcomes. We might need to dust off Tom 'Field of Dreams' Dwyer's typewriter again. That sound alright @Tom D?

 

[Rok_Dr]

If you scroll through the help file (the question mark at the bottom of the vertical toolbar) it shows there is supposed to be a Print Preview button. That would typically reformat the content so it can be sent to a default printer (including print to pdf). I think that button and likely some other power-user features are locked out of our profiles by design. For example; we cannot enter our own VIN and see vehicle status info so there's no service-centre like functions linked to our profiles. That part is understandable. If you have access to that info you can probably edit it which IA would not want.

There is definitely the required skill sets within the forum membership to get this done in a less teeth-pulling way. This would be a test of community though: How much do folks want to go the self-help route versus watching from the sidelines and taking pot-shots at IA?
Maybe we need to start a GoFundMe so @Rok_Dr can stop bashing rocks with a hammer and properly retire so he can commit to this? Priorities Steve, just sayin...

I need to sit with my agent again to see if their level of access might make this task easier. If there is useful functionality at an elevated user level we might be able to obtain endorsement through our forum executive for a screened project team to be granted higher access for an agreed scope of work. It would be a long shot, a pipedream perhaps, but also a test of IA's willingness to engage with the forum on common interest outcomes. We might need to dust off Tom 'Field of Dreams' Dwyer's typewriter again. That sound alright @Tom D?

I’m not sure the forum could afford my hourly rate and when properly retired I would prefer to be behind a steering wheel camper in tow rather than looking a monitor.

However once I get access I’ll have a poke around and see if there is a less painless way to extract information. I mostly use Firefox for my browsing and it allows me to print webpages to pdf. Formatting as a little clunky though.

But as a first step to a field repair manual I’d suggest compiling a list of procedures and tasks. Group them under headers, eg engine, driveline, chassis electrical, body, trim. Then it becomes much more manageable.

Another beer beckons……

Cheers
Steve

 

[Tazzieman]

We just need a hippie artist and comic sans font.
Nobody could claim we were plagiarising anything.
Another beer...or joint Steve?

 

[Rok_Dr]

We just need a hippie artist and comic sans font.
Nobody could claim we were plagiarising anything.
Another beer...or joint Steve?

Beer…… I want to get back to Oz

 

[Tazzieman]

Beer…… I want to get back to Oz

To get back with all the Munchkins?

 

[Jiman01]

I hope I can help but I’m struggling with my iPad skills. The Ineos portal will not let you copy any text or send documents anywhere. The only way is to screen shot. I’ve tried adding text to photos but struggling with that as I don’t have any fancy software. I’ve had to print a diagram of coolant system then go on the portal and highlight each individual item , so that I can then get the part numbers to add to my printed off diagram. A slow process so going to take a concerted group effort.

I don’t have access to the manual but I tried playing around with your PDF in Notability, which is a note taking app I’ve used. It allows free note taking, hyperlinks, adding pics, drawing lines, shapes, measurements, etc…. There are a bunch of similar apps which might be even better, it’s just the one I have some experience with.

I wonder if we used a part number off of your diagram and made it a link that would take you to that PDF page, it would improve organization.

Just as an example, I copied and pasted a part number from your PDF and it automatically converted it into text. I can’t erase anything on the original pdf/screenshot but can add/move/delete NEW things to the pdf/screenshot.

From there I think you can make that part number clickable, taking you to some other screenshot in Notability, pdf, notes, website, etc…