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What are the negative effects of the removal of the rear muffler

Rover and Dreamer

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From what I can gather the rear muffler needs to be removed in order to fit a long range fuel tank on my Diesel Trialmaster. Firstly are there negative consequences on the engine and its long term performance and secondly what does this do to the warranty as issued by Ineos?
 
From what I can gather the rear muffler needs to be removed in order to fit a long range fuel tank on my Diesel Trialmaster. Firstly are there negative consequences on the engine and its long term performance and secondly what does this do to the warranty as issued by Ineos?
None at all the CAT is still in place which is connected via sensor to the engine. The long range tank still adds a muffler back its just different than stock. Warranty don't know the laws in South Africa but here in the states they would need to prove that removing the muffler caused the damage to what ever you are warranting out.
 
From what I can gather the rear muffler needs to be removed in order to fit a long range fuel tank on my Diesel Trialmaster. Firstly are there negative consequences on the engine and its long term performance and secondly what does this do to the warranty as issued by Ineos?
I’ve posed this question to an Ineos rep and as @Tenac says it doesn’t affect your warranty as the exhaust is cut after the CAT so not affecting any emissions equipment. I have a petrol Grenadier and will shortly be installing a Long Range Automotive fuel tank from Australia.
 
like others said engine will be unaffected and warranty is also safe. I’d definitely plan on doing some sound insulation work on the floor and rear door though. I mean, the rear floor is already a bit like a drum on an unmodified car I can’t imagine that situation will improve when removing the muffler
 
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A few weeks ago, I had the Brown Davis 68 litre reserve diesel fuel tank fitted. Prior to that, I’d already installed a set of King shocks from Expedition HQ. When the shop installed the tank, they said it was a nightmare to fit—but they got it in eventually.

The other day, while checking the tyre pressures, I noticed the exhaust pipe was pressed hard up against the shock absorber. I’m no expert, but even I knew that wasn’t right. I booked in with a local exhaust shop and dropped in this morning. They put it up on the lift so we could get a proper look.

Turns out, it wasn’t just touching the shock—it was also hard up against part of the suspension linkage and something else I can’t remember the name of. While the contact with the shock was the only thing obvious when the vehicle was on the ground, lifting it by the chassis and letting the suspension hang (which, according to the exhaust guy, is how you should check exhaust clearance on a 4x4) revealed multiple contact points.

The fix? Slide the Brown Davis exhaust extender further over the existing pipe. To do that, he had to remove the extender and extend the expanded section to allow it to slip on further. Not a huge deal if you have the right tools, but it took him a couple of hours and cost me $350.

In my opinion, the original 4x4 shop didn’t cut the exhaust in quite the right spot—leaving it a little too long. They probably realised this after the tank was installed, and instead of removing the tank to correct it, they just left it. The proper fix would’ve meant taking the tank back out, trimming the pipe, and reassembling everything.

I also noticed that the fuel filler tube is jammed up against the right rear shock. The exhaust guy didn’t want to take that on, so it’s still like that for now. My overall conclusion? The Brown Davis fuel tank needs special consideration if installing it with King shocks. Get a shop that is meticulous with detail and one that has exhaust fitting equipment to do the job properly

On a related note, the Brown Davis exhaust extension is just a hollow pipe—not a muffler. That said, I haven’t noticed much change in noise. My partner reckons there’s no difference at all. Personally, I think it sounds slightly more like a tractor—which I love! It does make me wonder why the stock muffler is even necessary when removing it makes so little difference. If anyone needs a spare muffler, let me know. I’ve also got four OEM shock absorbers and the factory front steering dampener lying around. I'm in Sydney, AUS. Oh, and swapping out that front steering dampener has been the best mod I’ve done so far.

As for filling the tank—when I put diesel in, it seemed to fill both tanks together. I’m not sure if one fills before the other, but I did have to ease off the pump to avoid it backing up and cutting out. Transferring fuel from the Brown Davis tank to the main one took around 30 minutes. A bit slower than I expected, but honestly, not a big deal.

Consider the weights if you do any towing. I recently purchased a hybrid camping trailer and it had me in nearly panic mode when I hooked it up at the dealer to tow it away. Lowering it onto the towbar squatted the back end of the Grenadier right down. The steering was really light and a tad scary. The manufacturer's specified ball weight is 280kg but I'm guessing it was way over. The Brown Davis fuel tank is quite heavy, maybe 50kg (my best guess trying to pick up the box). Filling the tank adds another 56kg, with the weight right at the very back, behind the rear axle. I fixed the sagging back end by adding air bags to the rear suspension but it's still pretty heavy back there. I don't know if the Grenadier 350kg max towbar weight is impacted by adding weight with the reserve fuel tank. It's just worth considering the weights of the reserve fuel tank if you do any towing.
 
A few weeks ago, I had the Brown Davis 68 litre reserve diesel fuel tank fitted. Prior to that, I’d already installed a set of King shocks from Expedition HQ. When the shop installed the tank, they said it was a nightmare to fit—but they got it in eventually.
Would appreciate a few pictures of this tank...!
 
A few weeks ago, I had the Brown Davis 68 litre reserve diesel fuel tank fitted. Prior to that, I’d already installed a set of King shocks from Expedition HQ. When the shop installed the tank, they said it was a nightmare to fit—but they got it in eventually.

The other day, while checking the tyre pressures, I noticed the exhaust pipe was pressed hard up against the shock absorber. I’m no expert, but even I knew that wasn’t right. I booked in with a local exhaust shop and dropped in this morning. They put it up on the lift so we could get a proper look.

Turns out, it wasn’t just touching the shock—it was also hard up against part of the suspension linkage and something else I can’t remember the name of. While the contact with the shock was the only thing obvious when the vehicle was on the ground, lifting it by the chassis and letting the suspension hang (which, according to the exhaust guy, is how you should check exhaust clearance on a 4x4) revealed multiple contact points.

The fix? Slide the Brown Davis exhaust extender further over the existing pipe. To do that, he had to remove the extender and extend the expanded section to allow it to slip on further. Not a huge deal if you have the right tools, but it took him a couple of hours and cost me $350.

In my opinion, the original 4x4 shop didn’t cut the exhaust in quite the right spot—leaving it a little too long. They probably realised this after the tank was installed, and instead of removing the tank to correct it, they just left it. The proper fix would’ve meant taking the tank back out, trimming the pipe, and reassembling everything.

I also noticed that the fuel filler tube is jammed up against the right rear shock. The exhaust guy didn’t want to take that on, so it’s still like that for now. My overall conclusion? The Brown Davis fuel tank needs special consideration if installing it with King shocks. Get a shop that is meticulous with detail and one that has exhaust fitting equipment to do the job properly

On a related note, the Brown Davis exhaust extension is just a hollow pipe—not a muffler. That said, I haven’t noticed much change in noise. My partner reckons there’s no difference at all. Personally, I think it sounds slightly more like a tractor—which I love! It does make me wonder why the stock muffler is even necessary when removing it makes so little difference. If anyone needs a spare muffler, let me know. I’ve also got four OEM shock absorbers and the factory front steering dampener lying around. I'm in Sydney, AUS. Oh, and swapping out that front steering dampener has been the best mod I’ve done so far.

As for filling the tank—when I put diesel in, it seemed to fill both tanks together. I’m not sure if one fills before the other, but I did have to ease off the pump to avoid it backing up and cutting out. Transferring fuel from the Brown Davis tank to the main one took around 30 minutes. A bit slower than I expected, but honestly, not a big deal.

Consider the weights if you do any towing. I recently purchased a hybrid camping trailer and it had me in nearly panic mode when I hooked it up at the dealer to tow it away. Lowering it onto the towbar squatted the back end of the Grenadier right down. The steering was really light and a tad scary. The manufacturer's specified ball weight is 280kg but I'm guessing it was way over. The Brown Davis fuel tank is quite heavy, maybe 50kg (my best guess trying to pick up the box). Filling the tank adds another 56kg, with the weight right at the very back, behind the rear axle. I fixed the sagging back end by adding air bags to the rear suspension but it's still pretty heavy back there. I don't know if the Grenadier 350kg max towbar weight is impacted by adding weight with the reserve fuel tank. It's just worth considering the weights of the reserve fuel tank if you do any towing.
Sorry to hear about your less than ideal experience with the shop that installed your auxiliary fuel tank.
The Brown Davis tank is about 30 kg if I remember, the muffler I removed is about 11 kg, so the weight gain is not that bad.
I put an early version of the Brown Davis tank in myself up my driveway, it really is not that difficult, I think the shop that fitted the tank for you should of rectified the clearance problems they caused, they are clearly incompetent and should be named and shamed so that no one else on this forum has the same dreadful experience you received.
You should get the shop you used to install the tank to fix the filler tube rubbing the shock absorber issue, and the slow filling of the aux tank is probably caused by the fast filler fuel hose having a kink in it, but none of this should be at your expense, and I would also present them with the $350.00 bill from the exhaust shop.
My filler tube is about 400mm from my shock absorber, and about 50mm to 70mm from my right rear coil spring from full compression to full extension.
The auxiliary tank is a game changer when traveling remote, I just made good use of it on a trip to Arkaroola, and the spectacular flooded Lake Eyre. Lake Eyre really is an inland sea at the moment, and with all the visiting bird life made it even more special, I have seen Lake Eyre flooded a few times, but never to this extent, and water is still flowing in.
 
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I don't know if the Grenadier 350kg max towbar weight is impacted by adding weight with the reserve fuel tank. It's just worth considering the weights of the reserve fuel tank if you do any towing.
Might be worth asking Ineos.
If there is an incident , these factors will be investigated.
 
Might be worth asking Ineos.
If there is an incident , these factors will be investigated.
My guess is the weight of the tank is just part the overall GVM, GCM and rear axle loading, and if it all fits within those allowed parameter's it should be fine, it should be no different than having a suitcase of the same weight in the rear of the vehicle.
So a tow bar load of 350kg should be fine if the GVM or rear axle loading are not exceeded.
 
My guess is the weight of the tank is just part the overall GVM, GCM and rear axle loading, and if it all fits within those allowed parameter's it should be fine, it should be no different than having a suitcase of the same weight in the rear of the vehicle.
So a tow bar load of 350kg should be fine if the GVM or rear axle loading are not exceeded.
I'm inclined to agree with you!
 
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