Americas The threat to Ineos Dealers

[AWo]

At ease.
AWo

 

[AWo]

The December and 2025 yearly sales numbers by Marklines for the UK:

12/2025 20 units (12/2024: 31 units)
2025: 253 units (2024: 333 units)
2025 to 2024: -24.0%

Italy
Ineos is under "Others", that means they sold a fraction of the listed number of units:
12/2025 others: 1,135 units
2025 others: 10,502 units

France
Ineos is under "Others", that means they sold a fraction of the listed number of units:
12/2025 others: 13,229 units
2025 others: 69,867 units

Belgium
Ineos is under "Others", that means they sold a fraction of the listed number of units:
12/2025 others: 72 units
2025 others: 1,497 units

Netherland
Ineos is under "Others", that means they sold a fraction of the listed number of units:
12/2025 others: 115 units
2025 others:: 3,471 units

Spain
12/2025: 6 units
2025: 135 units

Austria
Ineos is under "Others", that means they sold a fraction of the listed number of units:
12/2025 others: 43 units
2025 others: 658 units

Ireland
Ineos is under "Others", that means they sold a fraction of the listed number of units:
12/2025 others: 2 units
2025 others: 211 units

Sweden
01/2025 31 units (all other months Ineos is listed under others)
2025 others: 974 units

New Zealand
Ineos is under "Others", that means they sold a fraction of the listed number of units:
Others 01-09 2025: 884 units

AWo

 

[CrazyOldMan]

The December and 2025 yearly sales numbers by Marklines for the UK:

12/2025 20 units (12/2024: 31 units)
2025: 253 units (2024: 333 units)
2025 to 2024: -24.0%

Italy
Ineos is under "Others", that means they sold a fraction of the listed number of units:
12/2025 others: 1,135 units
2025 others: 10,502 units

France
Ineos is under "Others", that means they sold a fraction of the listed number of units:
12/2025 others: 13,229 units
2025 others: 69,867 units

Belgium
Ineos is under "Others", that means they sold a fraction of the listed number of units:
12/2025 others: 72 units
2025 others: 1,497 units

Netherland
Ineos is under "Others", that means they sold a fraction of the listed number of units:
12/2025 others: 115 units
2025 others:: 3,471 units

Spain
12/2025: 6 units
2025: 135 units

Austria
Ineos is under "Others", that means they sold a fraction of the listed number of units:
12/2025 others: 43 units
2025 others: 658 units

Ireland
Ineos is under "Others", that means they sold a fraction of the listed number of units:
12/2025 others: 2 units
2025 others: 211 units

Sweden
01/2025 31 units (all other months Ineos is listed under others)
2025 others: 974 units

New Zealand
Ineos is under "Others", that means they sold a fraction of the listed number of units:
Others 01-09 2025: 884 units

AWo

So it’s down 10% in US, down 24% in UK - any way we could figure out “others” for other markets?

 

[AWo]

Difficult.
Even global reporting companies rely on what the local authorities provide or reporting is like (like in Germany you get every car listed, regardless if the maker wants that or not), in Australia it is dependant on the state, you have to search in every state (if, where, how is it summarized,...) and sum that up.

Sometimes only types are listed, sometimes the brand (ok, easy for Ineos with uhhhh... two models) sometimes every single model is listed), some list them even if they sold less than 10, other sum them up under "other". In almost every case the manufacturer publishes the numbers themself, some reject to, like Ineos. But even low volume brands like Rolls Royce, Bentley or Skywell publish their numbers. Skywell is below Ineos in December with 4 units, Ineos 10 in the UK, for example. But still listed.

So if there is no official authority gathering the numbers, you depend on the brand to publish the numbers.

AWo

 

[CrazyOldMan]

Difficult.
Even global reporting companies rely on what the local authorities provide or reporting is like (like in Germany you get every car listed, regardless if the maker wants that or not), in Australia it is dependant on the state, you have to search in every state (if, where, how is it summarized,...) and sum that up.

Sometimes only types are listed, sometimes the brand (ok, easy for Ineos with uhhhh... two models) sometimes every single model is listed), some list them even if they sold less than 10, other sum them up under "other". In almost every case the manufacturer publishes the numbers themself, some reject to, like Ineos. But even low volume brands like Rolls Royce, Bentley or Skywell publish their numbers. Skywell is below Ineos in December with 4 units, Ineos 10 in the UK, for example. But still listed.

So if there is no official authority gathering the numbers, you depend on the brand to publish the numbers.

AWo

Hmmmmm. Do we have numbers for Australia? I saw NZ on the Marklines numbers you posted, but not Australia - I think Ineos doesn’t supply numbers to VFACTS in Australia.

 

[AWo]

Australian numbers reflect the type of the car, passenger, SUV, truck, etc.

AWo

 

[CrazyOldMan]

Australian numbers reflect the type of the car, passenger, SUV, truck, etc.

AWo

But there are no Markline #s for Ineos - right? I just couldn’t find it

 

[AWo]

Not for AUS.

AWo

 

[HeavyFoot]

I’m just happy to have one. If they go away, I’m glad one is in my garage. Such a unique and wonderful vehicle! Yes it comes with baggage, but it may be that when they’re gone, they’re gone.

 

[Tazzieman]

Owners should cheer every one made. It extends the lifespan of parts, new and used, if you know what I mean.

 

[CrazyOldMan]

Owners should cheer every one made. It extends the lifespan of parts, new and used, if you know what I mean.

Like we’ll start murdering one another and stripping each others Grenadiers for parts? That’s grim - and something tells me this won’t go well for me.

 

[Zimm]

Like we’ll start murdering one another and stripping each others Grenadiers for parts? That’s grim - and something tells me this won’t go well for me.

I always thought crazy old men were the ones to avoid, as they have nothing to lose.

 

[CrazyOldMan]

I always thought crazy old men were the ones to avoid, as they have nothing to lose.

 

[Tazzieman]

Like we’ll start murdering one another and stripping each others Grenadiers for parts? That’s grim - and something tells me this won’t go well for me.

More about mfrs guaranteeing parts supplies for 10 years after the model is discontinued. And even then if there is enough interest from enthusiasts some parts can be remade.
I speak from the perspective of someone maintaining niche cars built 40-60 years ago.
Given both city and offroad use and the cost of repairs these days, there will be plenty of parts cars down the track, so to speak.

 

[CrazyOldMan]

More about mfrs guaranteeing parts supplies for 10 years after the model is discontinued. And even then if there is enough interest from enthusiasts some parts can be remade.
I speak from the perspective of someone maintaining niche cars built 40-60 years ago.
Given both city and offroad use and the cost of repairs these days, there will be plenty of parts cars down the track, so to speak.

Not as interesting an explanation - but have it your way

 

[Tazzieman]

Not as interesting an explanation - but have it your way

That said, I'm quite happy to use my rusty podger to get what I need, should it come down to a one-on-one situation