Stuck at Cape York

[ADVAW8S]

His first 2 mins is about how everyone that commented wand watched help pad his wallet. All I could think of was Darth Vader saying "Good I can feel your anger" followed by cash register sounds.

 

[AnD3rew]

John Cadogan is basically engagement farming with his video (he basically admits that in his second follow up video) he is a smart guy and I trust his engineering information but not his car buying advice. There are multiple stories going around about what actually happened. At this stage the most accurate information I can glean from all of this that appears to be fact based is.
1. The vehicle was traveling in a relatively remote area and through a relatively harsh environment.
2. When the incident occurred they had fairly immediate support both on the phone from INEOS and from their contracted roadside assistance which did get the vehicle to a mechanic.
3. The vehicle was subsequently transported to a specialist Grenadier dealer some distance away, this took quite a while but they were about 2000km away.
4. INEOS advised they believed the damage was “environmental” but effectively user error or accidental and advised owner to contact insurer. ( they had previously suggested over phone near the beginning to potentially contact insurer)
5. Insurer accepted the claim, which indicates to me that they at least had enough information to satisfy them that the damage was accidental and not warrantable.
6. The figure claimed on the original video for repair was something like $65k but the owner seemed unsure of that and we don’t know but seems unlikely.
7. There was no replacement engine in Australia and it would have taken months to sea freight it here, but it seems INEOS came to the party and agreed to airfreight it which would not have been cheap.

My takeaway so far is that INEOS seems to have been pretty responsive. And it pays to have good insurance and involve them early if any doubt.

 

[Tazzieman]

Cado took 8 years to get his basic degree; either dumb, lazy or chasing one of his 5 ex wives whilst working at Maccas to pay for his petrol and chips.
Tell us what happened Cado; we're pretty canny here, and can smell a dodgy story

 

[AnD3rew]

Cado took 8 years to get his basic degree; either dumb, lazy or chasing one of his 5 ex wives whilst working at Maccas to pay for his petrol and chips.
Tell us what happened Cado; we're pretty canny here, and can smell a dodgy story

As somebody with a chequered and drawn out academic history I won’t criticize him for that. Cadogan has hit on a formula that gets him an audience, that formula relies on making grand and controversial statements, I am sure he gets some income from the videos and his sponsors but its basically a vehicle to drive traffic to his main business which is basically a car buying service. I’ll give him kudos for his business ability but I take any advice particularly on car brand recommendations from him with a large grain of salt. I don’t think I have ever owned a car brand he approves of and I kind of wear that like a badge of honour.

 

[Tazzieman]

If I see a video of him e.g. actually changing a CV joint himself , I'll be the first to buy him an oat milk latte.
It's the sort of thing he would say, as a "man's man''

 

[ADVAW8S]

Stats show he brings in between a grand to 3 grand a month base on viewership plus engagement. That works to about 52k on the high end of additional income.

 

[Karearea]

Cado took 8 years to get his basic degree; either dumb, lazy or chasing one of his 5 ex wives whilst working at Maccas to pay for his petrol and chips.
Tell us what happened Cado; we're pretty canny here, and can smell a dodgy story

Man Tazzie! I’m actually crying with laughter over that post! Well Done on making my day

 

[AnD3rew]

On a slightly divergent tack, and without drawing a specific conclusion from the subject at hand. Has anyone tried or have any opinions on using something like an expanding foam or silcone to seal the spot where the RAI enters the wing panel? I know this doesn’t make it a proper sealed snorkel system, but if for example you combined it with a radiator blind as long as you kept momentum going in water crossings it might add a little extra insurance??

 

[Zimm]

I'm not reading 15 pages, and watching that guys vid's is painful, so, I'm choosing to subject you all to a completely uninformed comment...

That is... How can there be a delayed hydrolock? When I did it, it was "slurp, stall, winch, pull plugs, do the billagio fountain imitation, wd40 every fucking thin in sight, start and go. Pure luck, but that fj40 is on its 4th owner since me, and same engine I built 3 decades ago.

Whats the theory how something can hydrolock a day after it goes thru a river? Can the airbox hold a few pints without draining and then suck it in the next day? The insurance is paying out, so, something like that must have occurred. Any actual word?

 

[C-Mack]

Perhaps damage was indeed done at the river crossing such as a slightly tweaked/cracked rod just enough so the engine basically ran normally for a while giving no indication until a few more miles of fatigue or additional load made the problem evident?

 

[Max]

Not saying it would be easy!

Neither would I mate, sorry I was making light of a serious situation, we need a chuckle now and then.

 

[Zimm]

Perhaps damage was indeed done at the river crossing such as a slightly tweaked/cracked rod just enough so the engine basically ran normally for a while giving no indication until a few more miles of fatigue or additional load made the problem evident?

True, but at couple thousand rpm, you'd think the failure would be quite the loud mess, as soon as it happened. Is that what occurred?

 

[LabRat]

I'm not reading 15 pages, and watching that guys vid's is painful, so, I'm choosing to subject you all to a completely uninformed comment...

That is... How can there be a delayed hydrolock? When I did it, it was "slurp, stall, winch, pull plugs, do the billagio fountain imitation, wd40 every fucking thin in sight, start and go. Pure luck, but that fj40 is on its 4th owner since me, and same engine I built 3 decades ago.

Whats the theory how something can hydrolock a day after it goes thru a river? Can the airbox hold a few pints without draining and then suck it in the next day? The insurance is paying out, so, something like that must have occurred. Any actual word?

Air pulled from the top of the air box and enters at the bottom. If the drain is plugged, can envision water in the air box, not draining and then after they started moving faster, which they were, it got sloshed into the engine.

 

[Commodore]

I'm not reading 15 pages, and watching that guys vid's is painful, so, I'm choosing to subject you all to a completely uninformed comment...

That is... How can there be a delayed hydrolock? When I did it, it was "slurp, stall, winch, pull plugs, do the billagio fountain imitation, wd40 every fucking thin in sight, start and go. Pure luck, but that fj40 is on its 4th owner since me, and same engine I built 3 decades ago.

Whats the theory how something can hydrolock a day after it goes thru a river? Can the airbox hold a few pints without draining and then suck it in the next day? The insurance is paying out, so, something like that must have occurred. Any actual word?

I'm assuming that wasn't a full blown hydrolock that stopped the engine mid stream and they then towed the vehicle out and pulled the plugs to eject the water. Not all water ingestion damage shows instantly. A small amount of water can do huge amounts of damage while leaving the engine running for a while before it succumbs to the damage, this is what I wager happened. The possible damage includes:
1. Bent connecting rods
2. Cracked Piston and crushed ring lands allowing blow-by into the crankcase and over pressurizing the system which blows out oil seals.
3. Cylinder wall deformation or cracking which again allows for over pressurization of the crankcase

The result of any or all of the above is that the system blows a seal somewhere and dumps the oil. Then the driver keeps on going starving the engine of oil on critical components. This results in a completely destroyed block and rotating assembly.

If you wonder how I know this... I did it to a ski boat engine when I was 17 years old. A boat wake forced it's way through the transom exhaust and enough water got into the engine cause a slightly bent rod. It took the rest of the weekend for the engine eat itself alive. My dad wasn't happy but I lease it wasn't really operator error.

 

[C-Mack]

I'm assuming that wasn't a full blown hydrolock that stopped the engine mid stream and they then towed the vehicle out and pulled the plugs to eject the water. Not all water ingestion damage shows instantly. A small amount of water can do huge amounts of damage while leaving the engine running for a while before it succumbs to the damage, this is what I wager happened. The possible damage includes:
1. Bent connecting rods
2. Cracked Piston and crushed ring lands allowing blow-by into the crankcase and over pressurizing the system which blows out oil seals.
3. Cylinder wall deformation or cracking which again allows for over pressurization of the crankcase

The result of any or all of the above is that the system blows a seal somewhere and dumps the oil. Then the driver keeps on going starving the engine of oil on critical components. This results in a completely destroyed block and rotating assembly.

If you wonder how I know this... I did it to a ski boat engine when I was 17 years old. A boat wake forced it's way through the transom exhaust and enough water got into the engine cause a slightly bent rod. It took the rest of the weekend for the engine eat itself alive. My dad wasn't happy but I lease it wasn't really operator error.

Agreed, coupled with drivers adrenalin/excitement of bumpy, splashy river crossing he might have missed the engine bogging for a microsecond but by then the damage is already done.

 

[TheDocAUS]

On a slightly divergent tack, and without drawing a specific conclusion from the subject at hand. Has anyone tried or have any opinions on using something like an expanding foam or silcone to seal the spot where the RAI enters the wing panel? I know this doesn’t make it a proper sealed snorkel system, but if for example you combined it with a radiator blind as long as you kept momentum going in water crossings it might add a little extra insurance??

You might have more luck posting that here:

Thread 'Third party sealed snorkels for the IG and QM'

Tuesday at 2:57 AM

GRENX OEM STYLE SEALED SNORKEL (ALUMINIUM)
Australian based GrenX has three models with both a sealed snorkel and sealed airbox. Forum on GrenX snorkels is here.

The first is a sealed aluminium version that looks like the OEM Raised Air Intake, rather than asealed snorkel. It is a bolt on replacement, requiring no cutting of panels. It is the most expensive of the three models. FItting time is between 6 to 8 hours as panel need to eb remvoed.

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[Happyoldgit]

All this fixation on the river crossing

My own personal theory based on nothing other than the influence of my night time prescription meds, is a giant a rodent with a rubber fetish chewed a hole in a flexible oil line while they were camped after the river crossing, subsequent loss of oil resulted in lack of pressure and rapid onslaught of loud, expensive sounding knocking noises typical of a terminally knackered power plant.

Honest, the voices in the wind told me so.

 

[NQ94]

I'm not reading 15 pages, and watching that guys vid's is painful, so, I'm choosing to subject you all to a completely uninformed comment...

That is... How can there be a delayed hydrolock? When I did it, it was "slurp, stall, winch, pull plugs, do the billagio fountain imitation, wd40 every fucking thin in sight, start and go. Pure luck, but that fj40 is on its 4th owner since me, and same engine I built 3 decades ago.

Whats the theory how something can hydrolock a day after it goes thru a river? Can the airbox hold a few pints without draining and then suck it in the next day? The insurance is paying out, so, something like that must have occurred. Any actual word?

Assuming it was water through the engine the rod could of got a very minor bending from water ingestion and the rod can fail later, total luck of the draw. The other item every one is focusing on the air box and forgetting the charge aircooler/after cooler/intercooler. Depending on inlet and outlet position and the mounting position a CAC can hold a lot of water after the fact and possibly alow air over the water at slow engine speed an low boost. Most CAC do hold oil and condensation from crankcase ventilation but this is not an issue as it pulls through as a vapour and water in the intercooler in very small quantities will do the same. When checking for water in the inlet I look at three areas 1. Air box for previous pooling water near that can pass through to the clean side. 2. Remove the turbo inlet if accessable and check the compressor for very clean fins or bent tips. 3. Remove the inlet and or the outlet hoses for the intercooler and check for excessive water.
The continual oil spillage onto the tow truck on right side where everyone is looking suggests it has punched No 5 or 6 through the block, sump rail and sump during compression. Some comments on the videos suggest it's a turbo line or turbo but a failed turbo only pumps large amounts of oil out when the engine is running and if it's an internal turbo failure the engine would be smokey or running away and very noticeable to those following. If it is a broken turbo drain line and it pumped the oil out it the engine can sieze and at road speed revs there is every opportunity for an unplanned disassembly of the engine.

 

[Tazzieman]

Euphemism of the day award goes to NQ94
"unplanned disassembly of the engine"

 

[C-Mack]

All this fixation on the river crossing

My own personal theory based on nothing other than the influence of my night time prescription meds, is a giant a rodent with a rubber fetish chewed a hole in a flexible oil line while they were camped after the river crossing, subsequent loss of oil resulted in lack of pressure and rapid onslaught of loud, expensive sounding knocking noises typical of a terminally knackered power plant.

Honest, the voices in the wind told me so.

Apparently it was a Filigree Siberian Hamster called Basil that did it.