Steering falling off? Has this been covered?

[HT]

A little less than ideal out in the middle of a paddock … thankfully I wasn’t doing anything wild - just poking around - when I lost all steering. Climbed underneath to see my steering had prolapsed like a weightlifter’s anus.

this is the first mechanical issue with my IG. I love the old man dearly. It’ll get fixed no doubt. I guess I came here, to my brothers and sisters in driving, to see if anyone has any wisdom for me.

in case anyone is wondering, ineos road side assist (in Australia) ends without notice at the 2 year mark (3 months ago fo me).

 

[bemax]

SH..T!
Good to hear that nothing happened to you.
Imagine it would have happened here with higher speed:

 

[Clark Kent]

SH..T!
Good to hear that nothing happened to you.
Imagine it would have happened here with higher speed:View attachment 7919977

9.8m/s²

 

[Happyoldgit]

A little less than ideal out in the middle of a paddock … thankfully I wasn’t doing anything wild - just poking around - when I lost all steering. Climbed underneath to see my steering had prolapsed like a weightlifter’s anus.

this is the first mechanical issue with my IG. I love the old man dearly. It’ll get fixed no doubt. I guess I came here, to my brothers and sisters in driving, to see if anyone has any wisdom for me.

in case anyone is wondering, ineos road side assist (in Australia) ends without notice at the 2 year mark (3 months ago fo me).

Bugger.

 

[AWo]

Lucky you...

AWo

 

[OkGo]

Thankfully every one is physically safe, even if emotionally shaken. What exactly happened here...

 

[AWo]

Steering rod or tie rod? Have lost control on one wheel or both?

AWi

 

[HT]

Steering rod or tie rod? Have lost control on one wheel or both?

AWi

One of the tie rod ends (left) detached (maybe unscrewed itself?). Front right wheel is still turning.

 

[AWo]

Uhhhh...

AWo

 

[C-Mack]

Curious if there was any symptoms leading up to the failure like knocking/clunking from the side that fell off? Also, I would think as the tie rod slowly unwound itself over time the steering wheel would become more off-center when driving straight ahead and would be noticeable?

 

[OkGo]

Curious if there was any symptoms leading up to the failure like knocking/clunking from the side that fell off? Also, I would think as the tie rod slowly unwound itself over time the steering wheel would become more off-center when driving straight ahead and would be noticeable?

As in, developed a negative camber? Would it have been noticeable with the large tyres we all run? Maybe an inch out?

 

[HT]

Curious if there was any symptoms leading up to the failure like knocking/clunking from the side that fell off? Also, I would think as the tie rod slowly unwound itself over time the steering wheel would become more off-center when driving straight ahead and would be noticeable?

No symptoms that I noticed. That day id driven about 100kms up the highway. I didn’t notice anything then. I’m normally pretty astute to anything abnormal. Once at the farm, I was driving conservatively but the ground is bumpy and soft, so I might not have noticed anything then (which was about 10kms of driving).

 

[C-Mack]

No symptoms that I noticed. That day id driven about 100kms up the highway. I didn’t notice anything then. I’m normally pretty astute to anything abnormal. Once at the farm, I was driving conservatively but the ground is bumpy and soft, so I might not have noticed anything then (which was about 10kms of driving).

Interesting no symptoms leading up especially on the highway as it would be pretty noticeable as you’d probably hear/feel more tread noise from the front assuming the tie-rod had backed off enough to cause the front wheels to splay out. Roughly guessing you’d end up with about an inch or more of toe-out before the tie-rod actually fell off.

If the problem started on the highway on the drive up you’d probably have noticed your steering wheel slowly drifting off to the right even thought you continued to drive straight. Based on your description it most likely came loose off-road due to vibration as you were driving about. I shuddered to think if that had happened at highway speeds and is a good reminder for us all to routine check the steering rod jam nuts.

 

[Dokatd]

Guys, that's the tie rod. Side affects would be increased Toe. But, the problem with all of the current speculation is that the fixed side failed. Remember one side has an adjustable portion and the other side has a regular tie rod joint. The tie rod on the Grenadier cannot rotate without removing the steering stabilizer.

Soooo, this is a case where the thread's catastrophically failed. The reason almost certainly is because the jam nut had been loose likely since the day of manufacture and delivery. So this truck had been eating away at the softer threads in the tie rod until finally it gave way in one shot. There were probably very few if any indications this was happening aside from the nut being loose.

It's a great aftermarket Offroad design but very deficient as a production vehicle design. The safety margin is low.

Ineos should consider a campaign on the steering before it comes back to bite them. And everyone should check their steering to be sure it's all tight.

 

[C-Mack]

Guys, that's the tie rod. Side affects would be increased Toe. But, the problem with all of the current speculation is that the fixed side failed. Remember one side has an adjustable portion and the other side has a regular tie rod joint. The tie rod on the Grenadier cannot rotate without removing the steering stabilizer.

Soooo, this is a case where the thread's catastrophically failed. The reason almost certainly is because the jam nut had been loose likely since the day of manufacture and delivery. So this truck had been eating away at the softer threads in the tie rod until finally it gave way in one shot. There were probably very few if any indications this was happening aside from the nut being loose.

It's a great aftermarket Offroad design but very deficient as a production vehicle design. The safety margin is low.

Ineos should consider a campaign on the steering before it comes back to bite them. And everyone should check their steering to be sure it's all tight.

Good explanation, I was struggling in my head with how it could unwind if it was the fixed side due to the stabilizer not letting the whole bar rotate. Had it been loose jam nuts on the adjuster side maybe it could unwind. Agreed, IA needs to be more proactive on such critical components.