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Statistics/Poll Thread: Front driveshaft CV joint failures

Year: 2024 Station Wagon
Miles: 5100
Suspension: STOCK
Failure: As indicated by service manager: “pronounced/severe pre-failure ‘clunk’ when getting on / off throttle” at low speeds.”

Went in the shop today. Awaiting result. Meanwhile enjoying a QM loaner.
UPDATE: it went into the shop on Thursday and by Friday morning it was determined that something in the transfer case (high range side) is failing. The “clunk” does not happen in low range. There is only 5 degrees of driveline “take-up” in low range (normal) and nearly 45 degrees of FRONT shaft rotation until take-up in high range. I suspect I’ll be getting a new t-case. Again, only 5100 miles (with about 500 miles of Colorado off-road use).
 
UPDATE: it went into the shop on Thursday and by Friday morning it was determined that something in the transfer case (high range side) is failing. The “clunk” does not happen in low range. There is only 5 degrees of driveline “take-up” in low range (normal) and nearly 45 degrees of FRONT shaft rotation until take-up in high range. I suspect I’ll be getting a new t-case. Again, only 5100 miles (with about 500 miles of Colorado off-road use).
New tcase for sure. cheaper to replace than tear apart. Keep us posted… These transfer cases appear to be relatively bomb proof/gear driven. Curious to the failure point.
 
Failure: CV boot transfer case end front drive shaft
Year: 2024
Model: Station Wagon
Suspension: Lifted 1.7/1.2 inches, installed at 8,000 miles
Mileage at Failure: 12,500 miles
Warranty: No
Driving: 98% road mostly 50+ mph; a 2% off-road 3 trips to Moab / other parts Utah
 
UPDATE: it went into the shop on Thursday and by Friday morning it was determined that something in the transfer case (high range side) is failing. The “clunk” does not happen in low range. There is only 5 degrees of driveline “take-up” in low range (normal) and nearly 45 degrees of FRONT shaft rotation until take-up in high range. I suspect I’ll be getting a new t-case. Again, only 5100 miles (with about 500 miles of Colorado off-road use).
Is the excessive rotation with the CDL unlocked in high and low range?
 
2024 Quartermaster
35mm Eibach lift by dealer
Transfer case end boot failure at about 25000kms. Replaced shaft under warranty
Then had 50mm lift as part of a gvm upgrade. Diff end boot failed roughly 2000kms later. Replaced with rzeppa joint and put original (35mm eibach) springs back in front end.
Have put another 15000kms on since and still good
 
Year: 2023
Model: Station Wagon
Suspension: 30mm Eibach kit + Rear Air Bags. Installed at 5,000 klms
Mileage at Failure: 15,000 and 45,000 klms
Warranty: Yes x 2
Driving: On-Road, 10% 3.5t Caravan Towing/Off Road

Boot failure both times. Transfer Case replaced at delivery, Rear Shaft has been replaced, as well as Front Diff.
 
Year: 2023
Model: Station Wagon
Suspension: 30mm Eibach kit + Rear Air Bags. Installed at 5,000 klms
Mileage at Failure: 15,000 and 45,000 klms
Warranty: Yes x 2
Driving: On-Road, 10% 3.5t Caravan Towing/Off Road

Boot failure both times. Transfer Case replaced at delivery, Rear Shaft has been replaced, as well as Front Diff.
😳 so you've had 2 x CV boot failures, transfer case, rear shaft and front differential replaced
 
Year: 2023
Model: Station Wagon
Suspension: stock
Type of failure: circlip failed leading to stripping of splines in CV joint at transfer case end.
Milage at Failure: 30,000km/ 18000 miles
Warranty: Waiting on confirmation
Driving: 90% on road, but failure happened during steep low range work.
 
Updated info below. Please report if you have had an issue. With a very small number reported, it’s impossible to interpret any trend thus far. If you hear or see a report of someone’s problem, please encourage them to report on this thread. I won’t include third party reporting in the numbers.
Note - I’ve not sorted by year. At least not yet. I will if a trend seems to be developing.

SW stock failures 6
Avg mi : 14,871
Replaced under warranty: 100%

SW Lifted failures 10
Avg mi: 15,417
Replaced under warranty: 30%

QM lifted failures 1
Avg mi: 15,534
Replaced under warranty: 100%
 
My wife is a chief data officer and she will say more data points the better correlation. I would take all those that share that CV failed, what was the precise failure point. I think with a smaller data set, you will find what is the culprit.
 
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Updated info below. Please report if you have had an issue. With a very small number reported, it’s impossible to interpret any trend thus far. If you hear or see a report of someone’s problem, please encourage them to report on this thread. I won’t include third party reporting in the numbers.
Note - I’ve not sorted by year. At least not yet. I will if a trend seems to be developing.

SW stock failures 6
Avg mi : 14,871
Replaced under warranty: 100%

SW Lifted failures 10
Avg mi: 15,417
Replaced under warranty: 30%

QM lifted failures 1
Avg mi: 15,534
Replaced under warranty: 100%
A current breakdown with the failure mode overlaid looks like this:

Reports: 14
Failures: 17 (including repeat offenders Siddo, Breza and Dokatd)

Stock suspension.
C-clip failure: 2
Boot failure: 2
Other: 1 (leaking)
Subtotal: 5 (29%)

Lifted suspension.
C-clip failure: 0
Boot failure: 10
Other. 1 (leaking)
Not stated: 1 @RobP?
Subtotal: 12 (71%)

I believe there is around 10,000 members on the forum. Not all are owners but at a lowball guess of 30% ownership or ~3000 vehicles, 14 reports with 17 failures is not statistically meaningful. We would need to develop a proper survey where there was an option to report no-failure so we can get a decent representative sample size. I haven't counted @Krabby's 'all good in NJ 🤞' report in this sample.

Just for :poop: and :giggle::
1. Driveshafts fitted to vehicles with standard suspension are winning at not failing. That's a relief.
2. If you're a boot fitted on the rear CV of the front driveshaft of a lifted vehicle you're probably not going to die from old age.
3. C-clip failures only on standard suspension might be pointing to something but it's too early to make a call that's anything other than a SWAG* (but I'm still looking at you slipjoint).

*Scientific Wild-Ass Guess.
 
A current breakdown with the failure mode overlaid looks like this:

Reports: 14
Failures: 17 (including repeat offenders Siddo, Breza and Dokatd)

Stock suspension.
C-clip failure: 2
Boot failure: 2
Other: 1 (leaking)
Subtotal: 5 (29%)

Lifted suspension.
C-clip failure: 0
Boot failure: 10
Other. 1 (leaking)
Not stated: 1 @RobP?
Subtotal: 12 (71%)

I believe there is around 10,000 members on the forum. Not all are owners but at a lowball guess of 30% ownership or ~3000 vehicles, 14 reports with 17 failures is not statistically meaningful. We would need to develop a proper survey where there was an option to report no-failure so we can get a decent representative sample size. I haven't counted @Krabby's 'all good in NJ 🤞' report in this sample.

Just for :poop: and :giggle::
1. Driveshafts fitted to vehicles with standard suspension are winning at not failing. That's a relief.
2. If you're a boot fitted on the rear CV of the front driveshaft of a lifted vehicle you're probably not going to die from old age.
3. C-clip failures only on standard suspension might be pointing to something but it's too early to make a call that's anything other than a SWAG* (but I'm still looking at you slipjoint).

*Scientific Wild-Ass Guess.
It’s fun data to see but the very nature of this (or any ) forum creates a self reporting bias that makes it impossible to draw any meaningful conclusions. At this point Ineos knows if this is a problem or not but they certainly will not say. Hell, the service writer at a busy dealership has enough data to know if it’s a real problem or an outlier.

I think the fact that my local dealer keeps driveshafts in stock speaks volumes. Also that they found a tear in mine when it was in for a windshield replacement sure hints at a problem. Sounds like they either know to look because it’s easy warranty work to make a buck at or they are being told by Ineos to check whenever a car comes in.
 
It’s fun data to see but the very nature of this (or any ) forum creates a self reporting bias that makes it impossible to draw any meaningful conclusions. At this point Ineos knows if this is a problem or not but they certainly will not say. Hell, the service writer at a busy dealership has enough data to know if it’s a real problem or an outlier.

I think the fact that my local dealer keeps driveshafts in stock speaks volumes. Also that they found a tear in mine when it was in for a windshield replacement sure hints at a problem. Sounds like they either know to look because it’s easy warranty work to make a buck at or they are being told by Ineos to check whenever a car comes in.
Agreed. The only things I'm interested in from this exercise is the failure modes and the split between lift or no-lift. The persistent reports of driveshaft failures of any type on standard suspension should be a ray of sunshine for those with lifts. That makes it quite difficult for IA to categorically say that a lift is the root cause of failure on lifted vehicles. Evidently that's not the case. Public reporting on here, as unreliable as it may be, is still a look down at the broader problem that an owner won't get standing at the service counter of their dealer or agent.
 
It’s fun data to see but the very nature of this (or any ) forum creates a self reporting bias that makes it impossible to draw any meaningful conclusions. At this point Ineos knows if this is a problem or not but they certainly will not say. Hell, the service writer at a busy dealership has enough data to know if it’s a real problem or an outlier.

I think the fact that my local dealer keeps driveshafts in stock speaks volumes. Also that they found a tear in mine when it was in for a windshield replacement sure hints at a problem. Sounds like they either know to look because it’s easy warranty work to make a buck at or they are being told by Ineos to check whenever a car comes in.
There is some real truth in your observation.
 
The problem is in Oz I can go and buy virtually any dual range 4x4 and fit a 50mm lift and larger tyres, GVM upgrade etc… pre rego and no manufacturer will blink, and will assist from the showroom, and for most have trouble free motoring. No questions asked.
I have been buying 70 Series for mines all over the world for the past 30 odd years, at scope of purchase the dealer fits a lift straightaway. Never had a warranty denied.

My Ineos dealer will do the same, but not warrant the shaft. Or acknowledge a growing issue.
Anyone who has spent anytime under the vehicle will see the issue, as has been repeated here many times.
Problem people now have is wondering when it will fail, and what spares/tools do I carry. It’s not an easy side of the road repair for most. (A lift makes it easier) And with limited support across Australia it will be interesting to see how it’s dealt with.

My wife will not drive it when I am away…

I really like the vehicle and having tried Agiles shaft it’s a good back up and but Rzeppas are the better fix, but will fail again.
I am not sure at my age anymore I would want to be repairing shafts halfway down the CSR/Cape York…

I also love the comments around keeping it stock, yep for most ok but our previously remote tracks and beaches are now at a depth where a lift and tyres are needed, or you can drag your diffs to see how long they last. A fact of life.

Anyway will see what happens, but a rebuilt 1996 Defender for shits and giggles looking likely if a fix not found or a move to the dark side… as above driving 70 Series for 30+ years in Africa and beyond says something…

Let’s see how Ronny goes…
 
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I think the garages that say they are stock piling parts are probably more likely trying to reassure that they have parts availability than actually having numerous parts in stock. Whenever you go to a garage and it needs the most common of parts they have to order in for same day delivery, so holding 1 or 2 of some things isn't a problem but actually storage and cash flow are the bigger issues. Someone on here said there garage was stock piling windscreens, it's just reassurance to the end user and not something we should take as an additional worry.
Possible that a dealer who has 50% or more lifted trucks might think about it but it's more likely they are confident Ineos will get them.to them next day for fitting.
 
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