Red Winch - Integrated Front Winch - User Manual

[Tazzieman]

Yeah, we’re a bit more aligned with Dan in our approach in terms of vehicle prep and where to land on the light<=>heavy spectrum. So many dividends if one keeps the weight down.

Pay more - for less!

View: https://youtu.be/xjqGEr2ZXSY

 

[globalgregors]

Pay more - for less!

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I just need to ease up on the doughnuts, Tazzie.

 

[Barney]

Pay more - for less!

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Good video, he is right. Ok i leave the bullbar out

 

[grenadierboy]

Pay more - for less!

View: https://youtu.be/xjqGEr2ZXSY

Been a hiker/bush walker since I was 11 years old have a mountain (pardon the pun) of lightweight hiking/camping gear that we also use when go off 4WDriving.

I have never even considered GMV as we always travel light with the hiking gear plus a few extra items (table, chair, etc.) and mostly for only 3-7 days.


A good video by Robert Pepper but actually you can go even further than he shows as there is even lighter gear than he mentions but, its more expensive.

 

[Tazzieman]

A good video by Robert Pepper but actually you can go even further than he shows as there is even lighter gear

 

[jeremy_matrix]

customisation makes you or your "add on" guy the responsible engineer.

Don't disagree, but after ~30yrs in the industry, I do not agree that "Every vehicle that has a front winch added needs a suspension upgrade." This is simply not the case. Is it fully optimal? Yes. It is absolutely necessary for safe vehicle dynamics? No.

Weight out front in front of the axle is different to a case of beer in the back, but it’s more about the fact that you will also need a replacement bar which also adds weight. The bar is different if you don’t order the winch so it isn’t set up for one, and if you have seen it in real life you will see there isn’t a lot of room. If you are very determined and prepared to do some serious surgery you may be able to make one go on, but I would be assuming that the easiest way to achieve it is with a replacement bar. And that adds weight. Every vehicle I have seen that has had a bar and winch added needs a suspension upgrade just to return the front to stock height.

Don’t know what yours says. But ours specifically says it covers genuine accessories for the full five year unlimited kms warranty.
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I wasn't talking a case of beer in the back; I mentioned bags of heavy concrete.
The aftermarket can possibly offer a lighter-than-OEM bumper "bar" for use with a winch, therefore having the entire assembly of bumper/winch weighing less than OEM steel bumper and Red 11k winch (which is 5-16lbs heavier than other similar winches). This shall be seen, too early yet...
Thanks for the warranty coverage info. What are the 4 rows in regards to; ie row1 is 3yrs accessories, then row2 is 5yrs, then row3-4 is 3yrs.

Yeah, we’re a bit more aligned with Dan in our approach in terms of vehicle prep and where to land on the light<=>heavy spectrum. So many dividends if one keeps the weight down.

I think this more typical of international overlanders who tend to have less of the knickknacks that are carried in Oz and the US.
This might partly be down to being mentally prepared to walk away from your vehicle, as one must be in places where things can get sketchy.

It’s also more unusual to have fires in most countries so being out of that habit has a surprisingly big impact on equipment, cooking methods, evening camp routine etc.

Ceaselessly interested by these different styles of camping though, and while I can’t imagine ever carrying a pizza oven I find it kind of marvellous that this is where some folks are at.

I fully support the Colin Chapman approach; lighter is better whenever you can.
Walking away (with your sat phone) could save you from hauling more recovery gear than less.
Agreed on campfires; here in the USA in the west, campfires are pretty much non-existent anymore due to drought.
Pizza oven; more for the bigger truck campers/expedition rigs vs a more "agile" smaller overlanding rig like the IG is (helpful that the IG is smaller in size, so less likely to just keep packing more stuff in like would happen with a larger rig).

 

[Barney]

Hello everyone, has anyone in the aftermarket been on the lookout for a winch cable extension? The prices are very different. Do you splice eyelets yourself? Or do you buy with an eyelet? I would be interested in some ideas in EU. I've seen that Drifta is also sold in the EU. Is this a good reliable provider? Thx for the info and your experiences.

 

[Arkaig]

I bought direct from Red Winches - 11mm (7/16") x 50m LINE EXTENSION, not cheap but quality assured - https://www.red-winches.com/product/11mm-x-50m-red-winches-winch-line-extension/ - it comes with a spliced loop at both ends.

 

[jeremy_matrix]

I bought direct from Red Winches - 11mm (7/16") x 50m LINE EXTENSION, not cheap but quality assured - https://www.red-winches.com/product/11mm-x-50m-red-winches-winch-line-extension/ - it comes with a spliced loop at both ends.

That's a steal!(steel would be a pun, ha!)

Compare to this top quality in the USA at only 30m;

Winch Line Extension

The Yankum Ropes Winch Line is hand forged by Vikings enjoying their glory in Valhalla that love watching recoveries! (That last statement was "based" on a true story and "based on" is all you have to say to tell a lie but have it sound true) Made with coated Amsteel HMPE, this stuff is strong...

yankum.com

Or 15m for less USD $;

Winch Line Extensions

C4RS, Custom 4WD Recovery Systems specializes in US made synthetic off road recovery gear that we hand splice in our store. We sell and repair recovery gear along with provide mobility, recovery and other instruction to civilian and military markets.

www.c4rsonline.com

 

[AnD3rew]

What are the 4 rows in regards to; ie row1 is 3yrs accessories, then row2 is 5yrs, then row3-4 is 3yrs.

Different markets. Australia does seem to have gotten the best deal on warranty for some reason.

INEOS Grenadier Warranty

 

[DaveB]

Different markets. Australia does seem to have gotten the best deal on warranty for some reason.

INEOS Grenadier Warranty

Yep

 

[jeremy_matrix]

Different markets. Australia does seem to have gotten the best deal on warranty for some reason.

INEOS Grenadier Warranty

Thanks. Crappy though; there is NO such page like this for the USA, at least not yet.

Here are those countries. Wonder why AUS got preferential warranty;

REGION	MECHANICAL	PAINTWORK	ANTI-PERFORATION	PARTS	ACCESSORIES	EMISSION
UK and Europe	5 Years Unlimited mileage	3 Years Unlimited Mileage	12 Years	2 Years Unlimited mileage	3 Years Unlimited mileage	5 Years 100,000 miles / 160,000 Km
Australia	5 Years Unlimited mileage	5 Years unlimited mileage	12 Years	2 Years Unlimited mileage	5 Years Unlimited mileage	5 Years 100,000 miles / 160,000 Km
Africa	5 Years 100,000 Km / 60,000 miles	3 Years 100,000 Km / 60,000 miles	12 Years	2 Years Unlimited mileage	3 Years Unlimited mileage	5 Years 100,000 Km / 60,000 miles
MENA Countries	5 Years Unlimited mileage	3 Years Unlimited Mileage	12 Years	2 Years Unlimited Mileage	3 Years Unlimited Mileage	5 Years 100,000 miles / 160,000 Km

 

[AnD3rew]

Thanks. Crappy though; there is NO such page like this for the USA, at least not yet.

Here are those countries. Wonder why AUS got preferential warranty;

REGION	MECHANICAL	PAINTWORK	ANTI-PERFORATION	PARTS	ACCESSORIES	EMISSION
UK and Europe	5 Years Unlimited mileage	3 Years Unlimited Mileage	12 Years	2 Years Unlimited mileage	3 Years Unlimited mileage	5 Years 100,000 miles / 160,000 Km
Australia	5 Years Unlimited mileage	5 Years unlimited mileage	12 Years	2 Years Unlimited mileage	5 Years Unlimited mileage	5 Years 100,000 miles / 160,000 Km
Africa	5 Years 100,000 Km / 60,000 miles	3 Years 100,000 Km / 60,000 miles	12 Years	2 Years Unlimited mileage	3 Years Unlimited mileage	5 Years 100,000 Km / 60,000 miles
MENA Countries	5 Years Unlimited mileage	3 Years Unlimited Mileage	12 Years	2 Years Unlimited Mileage	3 Years Unlimited Mileage	5 Years 100,000 miles / 160,000 Km

We are special.

 

[DaveB]

Thanks. Crappy though; there is NO such page like this for the USA, at least not yet.

Here are those countries. Wonder why AUS got preferential warranty;

REGION	MECHANICAL	PAINTWORK	ANTI-PERFORATION	PARTS	ACCESSORIES	EMISSION
UK and Europe	5 Years Unlimited mileage	3 Years Unlimited Mileage	12 Years	2 Years Unlimited mileage	3 Years Unlimited mileage	5 Years 100,000 miles / 160,000 Km
Australia	5 Years Unlimited mileage	5 Years unlimited mileage	12 Years	2 Years Unlimited mileage	5 Years Unlimited mileage	5 Years 100,000 miles / 160,000 Km
Africa	5 Years 100,000 Km / 60,000 miles	3 Years 100,000 Km / 60,000 miles	12 Years	2 Years Unlimited mileage	3 Years Unlimited mileage	5 Years 100,000 Km / 60,000 miles
MENA Countries	5 Years Unlimited mileage	3 Years Unlimited Mileage	12 Years	2 Years Unlimited Mileage	3 Years Unlimited Mileage	5 Years 100,000 miles / 160,000 Km

This is taken from the US brochure

 

[jeremy_matrix]

This is taken from the US brochure
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Thx Dave!

We are special.

I noticed. <beers>

 

[globalgregors]

Hello everyone, has anyone in the aftermarket been on the lookout for a winch cable extension? The prices are very different. Do you splice eyelets yourself? Or do you buy with an eyelet? I would be interested in some ideas in EU. I've seen that Drifta is also sold in the EU. Is this a good reliable provider? Thx for the info and your experiences.

I thought 20m would be enough reach and went for this:

SaberPro® 20m Black Winch Extension Rope | Saber Offroad

Introducing the SaberPro® 20M Black Winch Extension Rope! Unlike other winch extension ropes we have braided a cover over the eyes for more protection and to make them even easier to attach.

saberoffroad.com

It’s probably worth being clear that I’d most often be utilising it as seen on the product page (below), with a double line pull.
In this case shorter is usually easier to handle than longer despite that maybe being a bit counter-intuitive.

This might also explain why one is not overly agitated about the short line available on a concealed winch like this.

Drifta are typically excellent. Not the lightest or fanciest but does what it says on the box.
The canvas stuff lasts for years.

 

[Logsplitter]

I thought 20m would be enough reach and went for this:

SaberPro® 20m Black Winch Extension Rope | Saber Offroad

Introducing the SaberPro® 20M Black Winch Extension Rope! Unlike other winch extension ropes we have braided a cover over the eyes for more protection and to make them even easier to attach.

saberoffroad.com

It’s probably worth being clear that I’d most often be utilising it as seen on the product page (below), with a double line pull.
In this case shorter is usually easier to handle than longer despite that being a bit counter-intuitive.

Drifta are typically excellent. Not the lightest or fanciest but does what it says on the box.
The canvas stuff lasts for years.

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You beat me to it. I am just about to order the same one.

 

[globalgregors]

You beat me to it. I am just about to order the same one.

Yes, I got mine in the 12.5K kit, which I’m quite looking forward to testing out.

 

[Shopkeep]

We are special.

Yeah Nah. Just the reality of Australian Consumer Law.

 

[DCPU]

Warranties - always read the small print...