Please send me your old ZF transmission pan and filter

[Greasemonkey]

These two images show how far the lever can be pulled down.

 

[Clark Kent]

I tried pulling the lever down several times today. It only goes down about 10 mm. As soon as you release it, it springs back to its original position. I'm going to try running a Bowden cable with a T-handle forward into the engine compartment. This cable needs to be lockable, otherwise it won't be possible to move the car.

That explains why the BTI kit has such a beefy release knob. It needs to lock out to hold the lever down.
A twist handle would do similar.

 

[Greasemonkey]

The Ineos diesel has the ZF 8HP76. The above kit will not work. The lever on the h8HP76 is different.

 

[Clark Kent]

The lever on these BMW flavoured ZFs doesn't lend itself to a remote cable kit due to the ~horizontal angle. The vertical lever on the Dodge ZFs is a better orientation to attach a cable that pulls from the front. This method is still an option to unlock the drivetrain in a $hitty recovery situation but now I know it has to be held down to stay unlocked I'm also leaning towards finding the sweet spot between HI and LO in the TC if I need to get my vehicle out of the gloop to get access to the neutral screw on the TC.

 

[Clark Kent]

The Ineos diesel has the ZF 8HP76. The above kit will not work. The lever on the h8HP76 is different.View attachment 7917350

Yep. I posted a link to a suitable kit for the HP51 and HP76 in an earlier response to one of your posts. I just used the BTI locking handle as an example.

Post in thread 'Please send me your old ZF transmission pan and filter' https://www.theineosforum.com/threa...ssion-pan-and-filter.12420727/post-1333374168

 

[Tazzieman]

$450 ouch , we can do better!

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[Dokatd]

The lever on these BMW flavoured ZFs doesn't lend itself to a remote cable kit due to the ~horizontal angle. The vertical lever on the Dodge ZFs is a better orientation to attach a cable that pulls from the front. This method is still an option to unlock the drivetrain in a $hitty recovery situation but now I know it has to be held down to stay unlocked I'm also leaning towards finding the sweet spot between HI and LO in the TC if I need to get my vehicle out of the gloop to get access to the neutral screw on the TC.

I still wouldn't ever put effort into the transmission lever considering the T-case has a neutral. I just thought this lever was interesting and good knowledge.

If I thought I could make a reasonable amount on it I would design a bracket and cable for y'all, but I know there is no money in it and it goes against my opinions on how to perform the associated recovery.

 

[Tazzieman]

I still wouldn't ever put effort into the transmission lever considering the T-case has a neutral.

Really the only situation would be driving into a flood/river and having a no start situation , and a need to be pulled out.

 

[Dokatd]

Really the only situation would be driving into a flood/river and having a no start situation , and a need to be pulled out.

But again you can do it from the cab with the T-case lever.

 

[Tazzieman]

But again you can do it from the cab with the T-case lever.

Touch wood!

 

[Dokatd]

Touch wood!

But why, same results as 90's rovers.

Short of a linkage cable snap. But that's just a shitty day if you are stuck to your frame in mud, broke down and the engine won't run.

 

[Clark Kent]

I still wouldn't ever put effort into the transmission lever considering the T-case has a neutral. I just thought this lever was interesting and good knowledge.

If I thought I could make a reasonable amount on it I would design a bracket and cable for y'all, but I know there is no money in it and it goes against my opinions on how to perform the associated recovery.

Options are good. Thanks for your input.
I'll summarise in one place here for those playing along at home.

@Rok_Dr: This would be a draft suggested amendment to the recovery section of the RDEUIGOMS.

Transfer Case Neutral Stop Screw.
IA provide a neutral stop screw on the right side of the transfer case. This is the only endorsed method to unlock the Grenadier drivetrain for transportation, towing or recovery of a disabled vehicle. Further, it is the only safe method to unlock the drivetrain for flat towing. Use of the neutral stop screw is described in the owner's manual. The neutral stop screw should be the first choice every time.
Other methods discussed here are workarounds which may be considered if the neutral stop screw is temporarily inaccessible due to the location of the vehicle. Urgency may also dictate an alternative approach be taken.

1. Transmission Parking Pawl Release Lever.
ZF provide a method to unlock the transmission of a vehicle via a parking pawl mechanical release lever fitted on the left side of the transmission. This lever affects the transmission only. The transfer case will remain engaged. This lever is not a Grenadier specific feature and is not recognised by IA. It exists primarily so ZF 8HP equipped vehicles can be moved without electrical power available. Pulling the lever down against spring tension will release the parking pawl and allow the drivetrain to rotate, including the transfer case and transmission. The CDL should be unlocked to reduce drivetrain loads.
This action will allow the driver to do a rolling recovery (push, winch, recovery strap) of the vehicle to a more suitable location to get under the vehicle and operate the neutral stop screw before continuing with a recovery.
This method has limitations because it also requires access under the vehicle, albeit on the opposite side to the neutral stop screw, and the lever needs to be held down to prevent the transmission from returning to park while the vehicle is being moved. Remote pull cable kits exist and could be adapted to Grenadier at the owner's discretion.

2. Transfer Case mid-travel 'Neutral' Position.
A neutral position is not provided in the transfer case. An equivalent 'neutral' can be achieved by nudging the shifter into a position approximately mid-way between HI and LO range. The required position is not obvious and can take some practise to find. It is the least positive option available because the only confirmation of success is the wheels will rotate when the vehicle is moved. Nevertheless, this is by far the quickest method (after practice) and is most accessible to the driver. Once the vehicle has been moved to a more suitable location the neutral stop screw should be operated to continue recovery.
Notes.
- Unlock the centre differential.
- Ensure the transfer case selector lever is returned to HI range after the neutral stop screw has been operated.
- During recovery it is advisable not to operate the engine while the transfer case selector lever in any position other than HI or LO.

 

[Tazzieman]

- During recovery it is advisable not to operate the engine while the transfer case selector lever in any position other than HI or LO.

Hopefully someone else's winch, or you have a good supply of electrons for your winch!

 

[Clark Kent]

Hopefully someone else's winch, or you have a good supply of electrons for your winch!

Disabled includes dead so someone else is dragging your sorry a$$ out.

The idea being that if the vehicle is bouncing around you don't really want out-of-mesh cogs spinning around at idle speed without a detent to keep them apart. Equally importantly, if Steve is going to publish something then it needs to be idiot proof hence 'advisable'.

 

[Dokatd]

Just a note, when the T-case is put in neutral the truck will give you a warning and show the trucks Transfer case is in Neutral. This is actually more positive than the transmission parking pawl trick or the transfer case screw.

So the T-case set to Neutral via H/L lock lever is the only one that can actually tell you it's been successfully set assuming vehicle power.

I'm happy to get a photo of this notice tomorrow if it's required.

 

[Clark Kent]

Just a note, when the T-case is put in neutral the truck will give you a warning and show the trucks Transfer case is in Neutral. This is actually more positive than the transmission parking pawl trick or the transfer case screw.

So the T-case set to Neutral via H/L lock lever is the only one that can actually tell you it's been successfully set assuming vehicle power.

I'm happy to get a photo of this notice tomorrow if it's required.

That's useful. I played around with this yesterday with the key off to simulate a dead vehicle but if power is available and you get a telltale then the process is better.

 

[Dokatd]

That's via the Hi/LO lever.

 

[Rok_Dr]

Options are good. Thanks for your input.
I'll summarise in one place here for those playing along at home.

@Rok_Dr: This would be a draft suggested amendment to the recovery section of the RDEUIGOMS.

Transfer Case Neutral Stop Screw.
IA provide a neutral stop screw on the right side of the transfer case. This is the only endorsed method to unlock the Grenadier drivetrain for transportation, towing or recovery of a disabled vehicle. Further, it is the only safe method to unlock the drivetrain for flat towing. Use of the neutral stop screw is described in the owner's manual. The neutral stop screw should be the first choice every time.
Other methods discussed here are workarounds which may be considered if the neutral stop screw is temporarily inaccessible due to the location of the vehicle. Urgency may also dictate an alternative approach be taken.

1. Transmission Parking Pawl Release Lever.
ZF provide a method to unlock the transmission of a vehicle via a parking pawl mechanical release lever fitted on the left side of the transmission. This lever affects the transmission only. The transfer case will remain engaged. This lever is not a Grenadier specific feature and is not recognised by IA. It exists primarily so ZF 8HP equipped vehicles can be moved without electrical power available. Pulling the lever down against spring tension will release the parking pawl and allow the drivetrain to rotate, including the transfer case and transmission. The CDL should be unlocked to reduce drivetrain loads.
This action will allow the driver to do a rolling recovery (push, winch, recovery strap) of the vehicle to a more suitable location to get under the vehicle and operate the neutral stop screw before continuing with a recovery.
This method has limitations because it also requires access under the vehicle, albeit on the opposite side to the neutral stop screw, and the lever needs to be held down to prevent the transmission from returning to park while the vehicle is being moved. Remote pull cable kits exist and could be adapted to Grenadier at the owner's discretion.

2. Transfer Case mid-travel 'Neutral' Position.
A neutral position is not provided in the transfer case. An equivalent 'neutral' can be achieved by nudging the shifter into a position approximately mid-way between HI and LO range. The required position is not obvious and can take some practise to find. It is the least positive option available because the only confirmation of success is the wheels will rotate when the vehicle is moved. Nevertheless, this is by far the quickest method (after practice) and is most accessible to the driver. Once the vehicle has been moved to a more suitable location the neutral stop screw should be operated to continue recovery.
Notes.
- Unlock the centre differential.
- Ensure the transfer case selector lever is returned to HI range after the neutral stop screw has been operated.
- During recovery it is advisable not to operate the engine while the transfer case selector lever in any position other than HI or LO.

It’s already on the list of things to do…… along with some words about front drive shaft CV inspection and replacent.

 

[Rok_Dr]

Disabled includes dead so someone else is dragging your sorry a$$ out.

The idea being that if the vehicle is bouncing around you don't really want out-of-mesh cogs spinning around at idle speed without a detent to keep them apart. Equally importantly, if Steve is going to publish something then it needs to be idiot proof hence 'advisable'.

There will always be an idiot out there who will de proof it!