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Owl Bull Bar

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Oh yeah, vendors are taking us for a ride and not the fun kind
If someone made a bull bar of solid quality and a fair price would shut down all the others. The cost of these bull bars is more than I paid for a full bumper with custom bull bar on my LX470....wow I am going to wait on bull bar and stuff until more competition or someone decides that they dont need to charge as much for a bull bar as an entire bumper especially if already making them for at least one other vehicle.
 
If someone made a bull bar of solid quality and a fair price would shut down all the others. The cost of these bull bars is more than I paid for a full bumper with custom bull bar on my LX470....wow I am going to wait on bull bar and stuff until more competition or someone decides that they dont need to charge as much for a bull bar as an entire bumper especially if already making them for at least one other vehicle.
This one is not too bad. For CA tuned. I have no experience with it. The bracket i got for my TJM compressor pump was good even if the wiring harness and instructions were not. Little more than $1000. Can’t imagine anyone having one less than that. Especially in this market.

 
Does anyone here have LFD's center bumper winch module installed with an Owl bull bar (pic below with the OEM bull bar)? I am curious to see what that looks like (and whether everything fits well together). Next to an all welded solution, this seems to be the best combo (to me) at the moment (although I am keeping my powder dry until Dissent's offering actually comes online - they sure do know how to tease). If you have the LFD/Owl combo, please post a pic.
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Does anyone here have LFD's center bumper winch module installed with an Owl bull bar (pic below with the OEM bull bar)? I am curious to see what that looks like (and whether everything fits well together). Next to an all welded solution, this seems to be the best combo (to me) at the moment (although I am keeping my powder dry until Dissent's offering actually comes online - they sure do know how to tease). If you have the LFD/Owl combo, please post a pic. View attachment 7894355
Great question-n I hope LFD gets them back in stock, I will surely take one!
 
I’d say take my money “Owl” but I just can’t get past that lower outer corner and blunt end of the tubing detail. Everything else about the bar looks top notch and amazing but that lower corner looks as if someone got to the end of the fabrication and didn’t quite know how to finish it off. I’m sure it would complicate fabrication to make it a nice finished curve… it’s so close to being perfect!
 
I’d say take my money “Owl” but I just can’t get past that lower outer corner and blunt end of the tubing detail. Everything else about the bar looks top notch and amazing but that lower corner looks as if someone got to the end of the fabrication and didn’t quite know how to finish it off. I’m sure it would complicate fabrication to make it a nice finished curve… it’s so close to being perfect!
No offense to John or owl, I love their stuff, have spent $1000s on owl gear…. by GP-factor have figured it out. At the end of the day the debate comes down to what will be the point of failure upon impact with a large animal, as far as materials selection and construction goes.
 

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I’d say take my money “Owl” but I just can’t get past that lower outer corner and blunt end of the tubing detail. Everything else about the bar looks top notch and amazing but that lower corner looks as if someone got to the end of the fabrication and didn’t quite know how to finish it off. I’m sure it would complicate fabrication to make it a nice finished curve… it’s so close to being perfect!
It’s a terrible finished corner and the shape of it is strange.. it’s like someone with blocky head wearing cat eye glasses.
 
It’s a terrible finished corner and the shape of it is strange.. it’s like someone with blocky head wearing cat eye glasses.
I had the same reaction when I initially saw it. To their credit, Owl addressed that criticism head on here:

I thought I would add some more information on the tube intersection. We wanted a very functional bullbar that would hold up in an impact against an animal. As a result we used a much thicker steel tubing as compared to the OEM. With the thicker stronger tubing you cannot bend a radius as tight as the OEM. If we went with thin OEM tube it would be a purely aesthetic bullbar.

We felt Grenadier customers would opt for function over form in this case. Hopefully that added context to our decision.

John (Owl)

Based on @GofastboatsMojito's pics posted above, it looks like Owl has started trimming the pigtail as close to the connecting bar as possible. The pigtail on that bar looks shorter than older pics of the bar I have seen.
 
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That's cool. Having handled the GP Factor bullbar I'd hesitate to call it 'purely aesthetic' though. I'm fairly confident it'd hold up to hitting a deer (since im in US) pretty well. If you hit an elk, moose, or cow at speed though no bullbar is going to do a whole hell of a lot no matter the thickness of the tubing
 
I had the same reaction when I initially saw it. To their credit, Owl addressed that criticism head on here:



Based on @GofastboatsMojito's pics posted above, it looks like Owl has started trimming the pigtail as close to the connecting bar as possible. The pigtail on that bar looks shorter than older pics of the bar I have seen.
Both GP and Owl bars are very compelling options and appreciate Owl’s desire to use stronger materials and GP’s bolt together design, which in theory would should be easier to repair should it take an impact. Both will offer protection off-road bumping at low speed into occasional obstructions. However, if a head-on impact with something larger were to occur, especially another vehicle, neither bar is saving the day and actually may compromise how the chassis and body are designed to crumple during such an event and worth keeping in mind.
 
Great question-n I hope LFD gets them back in stock, I will surely take one!
Following up on the LFD/Owl Bull Bar combo/will they play well together topic. Since apparently no one actually has this combo installed, I figured I'd repost the LFD pic above installed with the OEM bull bar along with a few pics of the Owl bar installed for comparison. I cannot decide from the pictures whether this combo will actually fit together. - including whether the Warn Zeon shown in the LFD picture would fit with the Owl bar What say you?

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Following up on the LFD/Owl Bull Bar combo/will they play well together topic. Since apparently no one actually has this combo installed, I figured I'd repost the LFD pic above installed with the OEM bull bar along with a few pics of the Owl bar installed for comparison. I cannot decide from the pictures whether this combo will actually fit together. - including whether the Warn Zeon shown in the LFD picture would fit with the Owl bar What say you?

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This is great info, thank you! I have been in conversation with them regarding timeline and will further my Owl Bull bar usage.
 
Here is my CA Tuned Offroad one.
Looks very nice indeed another compelling option for a front bar… it’s getting much harder to settle on one for my own.

I’ve got the same 18” wheels on my Grenadier but yours look to be sitting outward more… are you using wheel spacers by chance? Also is that factory sliders or aftermarket?
 
Looks very nice indeed another compelling option for a front bar… it’s getting much harder to settle on one for my own.

I’ve got the same 18” wheels on my Grenadier but yours look to be sitting outward more… are you using wheel spacers by chance? Also is that factory sliders or aftermarket?

I do have H&R forged spacers on here. 25MM front and rear spacers. OEM wheels/tires. Zero issues. Also, yes, OEM factory sliders.

Good eye btw.
 
As much as I am ashamed to post this. I think it is relevant information that any bull bar that is not welded/integrated into the bumper, and/or reinforced to the bumper on the hoop ends.
I had a Tesla “phantom brake” in front of me a few weeks ago. I know I assume all risk when putting on aftermarket parts, and in no way is this geared to blaming OWL for the damage.
But, had I not had the bull bar, there is a strong possibility that I would only have bumper damage. However, it can be argued that the bar prevented more damage to crumple zones. It definitely provided more damage to the rear of the Tesla, my headlight surround, and most notably, fender. Impact happened at sub 10mph, closer to 5 mph. The latency on reading of Wolfbox camera is tremendous during impact, so don’t mind the mph reading.

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Used the winch on my FJ to pull bumper back out, nearly to the correct position, but the indent of the bull bar, shows a pretty good trophy from the incident.
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Ouch, that’ll be an expensive fix. I had a similar repair done and the parts alone were £7k+

I want an ARB style steel bumper that retains the seat/step of the euro bumper but none available yet that really appeal.
 
This is an example of what I call a damage multiplier. Obstacles that may not have made contact by a slim margin, which is common when wheeling, force the "protection" into the body. When a moving 6000lb truck and an immovable object (or another car) are passing by one another 1" apart, but the 2" pipe thats 2" off the body occupies that space wanted by each object, something has to give. I've had people roll their eyes at me when I call these "brush bars", when I say 3mm slider material is insufficient, and Al bash plates are better than nothing but suck compared to steel, but, It is what it is.

Yes, these will deflect brush, protect headlights, sidemarkers, the grill, and keep scratches at bay. They are great as rod holders. But they will not deflect a bull. If you don't wheel where theres brush, or it doesnt double as a game carrier, it's just for looks. I think they are better off removable, so, when not needed, they can be removed.
 
I've seen the pictures of the crash our member went through.
What surprises me is just how much the bull bar bet itself into the sheet metal of the Grenadier. The pics of the Tesla, which is well worth posting show relatively minor damage whereas the bull bar seems to have not absorbed much/any of the incoming forces.
 
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