Now a direct competitor for the old Defender

[lightning]

lt seems you can get a used Grenadier for just over £40,000 (there's a few on Auto Trader for £41,995)

That has encroached on the top end dealer prices of late model "Puma" Defenders in good condition/low mileage (ignoring the silly prices some are advertised for)

So now the Grenadier is an option for anyone considering an old Defender, although the price really needs to come down another £5,000 it's not much of a difference.

lf you can afford £35,000 you can probably afford £42,000

And you're buying a nearly new vehicle that has the spirit of the old Defender but is up to date. l've always said that the Grenadier is much more of an old Defender than the new Defender is.
It's what Land Rover should have done with the old Defender in my opinion.

But the new Defender has sold better than anything they've ever made so you can't argue with their logic.

Anyone who has owned the old Defender, will have no issues with the idiosyncrasies of the Grenadier. They'll call it character....a thing sadly lacking in most modern vehicles.
Land Rover spent thirty years not really updating the old Defender, in order to retain the "character", and it's great that lneos didn't engineer all the character out of the Grenadier.

We bought a new Defender in 2006. I went in to the dealer a few months later for some side steps.

Below is true, probably not the exact words but the conversation went pretty much as follows

Salesman
"How's the new Defender"
Me
"lt's going great, we love it"
Salesman
"I bet you were glad of it in the recent storms"
Me
"Yes it was great, went through a few rain storms, no leaks at all"
Salesman
"No leaks?"
Me
"No, nothing"
Salesman
"Bring it back in, it's faulty"

 

[IslandFalconer]

If I could find a clean Puma in Canada that wasn’t stupid money I’d buy one. They are not the same, not even close. The grenadier is laden with dumb tech that wasn’t asked for or need or proposed in the original version. I don’t need a computer to decide on diff locks, I don’t need off-road mode to create logic for activation of my systems. To the point I can’t use fog lights. Ineos implemented nonsense for the sake of it. ADAS when unneeded or required, TPMS that locks a wheel to a location, a “manual key” that is a push button without the button. There’s nothing useful about the modern amenities they’ve added

 

[lightning]

Sadly most of these "features" are law, certainly in the U.K. The latest is a
"Driver awareness monitoring" where it monitors you to make sure you're not falling asleep at the wheel.

 

[Cheshire cat]

I have owned an old Defender for over 20 years. (Still have it). For me, the Grenadier feels very much like its natural successor. Fortunately, the modern tech on my Grenadier has so far, caused me no issues. Might feel a bit different it had.
I do like the idiosyncrasies of the Grenadier and the fun had in trying to eliminate them.

 

[trobex]

On a side note, looking at 23/24 models: a used Wagon TM-Diesel in Australia sells for less than a used 76 series (if you can even get one). Probably the reason I am seeing quite a few Grenadiers floating around SE QLD now. About 12 months ago, I would see or two here or there. Now, I see 4 or 5 every day and sometimes more.

 

[NQ94]

On a side note, looking at 23/24 models: a used Wagon TM-Diesel in Australia sells for less than a used 76 series (if you can even get one). Probably the reason I am seeing quite a few Grenadiers floating around SE QLD now. About 12 months ago, I would see or two here or there. Now, I see 4 or 5 every day and sometimes more.

New Land Rover Defenders are more common then a Grenadier in CQ. Grenadiers are as rare as hens teeth. There are a lot of new shape 76s and 79s that are not mine spec white in the area.

 

[lightning]

The new Defender has become what l call a "pigeon" here, that is, they are everywhere.

lt's not uncommon to see two or three in any line of queuing vehicles.

 

[DenisM]

On a side note, looking at 23/24 models: a used Wagon TM-Diesel in Australia sells for less than a used 76 series (if you can even get one). Probably the reason I am seeing quite a few Grenadiers floating around SE QLD now. About 12 months ago, I would see or two here or there. Now, I see 4 or 5 every day and sometimes more.

Latest "goss" indicates that the Brisbane dealer is by far the most successful in Aus. based on sales to date. They also took on the Leap Motors ev franchise which is apparently very healthy sales-wise also.

 

[lightning]

There's a few Grenadiers in my locality which is nice to see.

 

[MartinK]

I have owned an old Defender for over 20 years. (Still have it). For me, the Grenadier feels very much like its natural successor. Fortunately, the modern tech on my Grenadier has so far, caused me no issues. Might feel a bit different it had.
I do like the idiosyncrasies of the Grenadier and the fun had in trying to eliminate them.

I had Land Rovers since 2002, and my last Puma (one of the last batch of six 2.4's off the production line before the 2.2 engine) for 14 years...
The Grenadier is the ONLY vehicle I would have swapped for.
The main reason for change was the Auto box (I did look at Ashcrofts) - my Mrs wouldn't have driven the Puma easily with the manual box... We also wanted to declutter from 2 cars to one...so the Grenny is our only car now.
I did have a look at the new Defender online configurator a few times, but way too much Tech for me.
The Grenny is the car JLR should have made to replace the Defender in 2015...

 

[DoubleDoom]

The new Defender has become what l call a "pigeon" here, that is, they are everywhere.

lt's not uncommon to see two or three in any line of queuing vehicles.

That used to the case with the Discovery. You used to see 1, 2, 3 and 4s everywhere. Until Gerry McGovern gave us a preview with the Discovery 5 of what he intended to repeat with Jaguar. I just did a Google search to check the spelling of his name, and the first entry was Autocar from September 2016, which said of the launch of the Discovery 5: "Gerry McGovern thinks it'll be the company's best seller".

The Grenny is the car JLR should have made to replace the Defender in 2015...

My view is that the Grenadier is closer to a Discovery 2 in how it drives and a Discovery 4 in terms of space. I feel the Grenadier, in general, feels closer to the old Discovery 1/2, which was a car that could do the heavy work but still be comfortable enough to go to the shops or longer journeys.

 

[landmannnn]

My view is that the Grenadier is closer to a Discovery 2 in how it drives and a Discovery 4 in terms of space. I feel the Grenadier, in general, feels closer to the old Discovery 1/2, which was a car that could do the heavy work but still be comfortable enough to go to the shops or longer journeys.

I feel it is closer to the 90 V8 County Station Wagon I bought nearly new in the late 80s.
Similar performance, interior trimmed in a similar colour, also quirky even for that period.

Mind you, it was a long time ago.