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New Year Service Overdue Bug

Critical thing in all of this is that no vehicles have been affected to the extent that they can't perform the function they are designed for which is getting from point A to point B in a fun to drive and cool looking comfortable 4WD vehicle that is very different from anything else out there. I don't see any broken promises here from Ineos. Unlike other brands that have engine blowups, software glitches that make them un-driveable, or worse still drive themselves into oncoming traffic or into brick walls. What exactly is the fuss all about? As competent drivers what - we can't press a button and ignore a false reading? Are we that incompetent as a driver community that renders us incapable of minor adaptation to this trivial software glitch. Where is all the anger and vitriol coming from exactly? Enjoy the ride, enjoy the fun, and don't sweat the small stuff.
You are either completely oblivious or an Ineos rep.
Heater issues
Battery Drain
Battery not charging
Car Play/ Android Issues
Can’t Reset service indicator
Problems with tail lights
ADAS

To name a few “issues” with the software.
Why you choose to be ignorant if those issues is anybodies guess
 
You are either completely oblivious or an Ineos rep.
Heater issues
Battery Drain
Battery not charging
Car Play/ Android Issues
Can’t Reset service indicator
Problems with tail lights
ADAS

To name a few “issues” with the software.
Why you choose to be ignorant if those issues is anybodies guess
In my case w/ 2024 TM:

Heater issues: No
Battery drain: No
Battery not charging: No
Car Play issues: Issue with it after the last big update. I removed my phone and re-added it and no longer had an issue with it.
Can’t reset service indicator: This has always been this way. Not really an issue
Problems with tail lights: No
ADAS: Fixed during th big update.

I don’t know why you have these issues, but not all are experiencing what you listed.
 
You are either completely oblivious or an Ineos rep.
Heater issues
Battery Drain
Battery not charging
Car Play/ Android Issues
Can’t Reset service indicator
Problems with tail lights
ADAS

To name a few “issues” with the software.
Why you choose to be ignorant if those issues is anybodies guess
Apart from the service reset, and on one occasion needing the airbag reset, after the software update I and others haven't had the problems as you list. I wonder what the cause of this good fortune is?
 
It seems like this conversation is in danger of veering off into personal attacks. So I'll make a general statement not aimed at anyone in particular but certainly pertinent to the statements made by several people here. Then I'll be leaving this particular thought for more fruitful discussions.

In my experience, people who minimize the effort needed to solve complex problems usually have motivations - that they're often trying to hide - that detract from a high-quality outcome.

So when someone says, for example, "automotive software is simple to design, implement and maintain," I question their motivation and doubt they have an improved product at the top of their priority list.

And if the “Service overdue…” message - or any similar shortcoming - has left your life in shambles, the logical next step is to sell your Ineos and purchase one of the many entirely problem-free vehicles that other manufacturers reliably produce at amazingly affordable prices.

Over and out.
Since this is based on actual first hand experience, can you give us a few other specific personal examples of this occurring in your life... or was that just inserted to add a little gravitas to a simple opinion being wielded as a poorly veiled personal attack, that you claim to be afraid of occurring, as if it extends some plausible deniability for said attack?
 
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Mine never stalled with the A/C on at idle! LOL, here I am in it with a couple of my croanies:

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Nor did mine. (Yours is nicer)
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Seem like my unit will never be updated cause there's no dealer at all in Indonesia. I have to live with "airbag error" and now "service error".
Sounds like a good excuse for an annual Camel Trophy style island hopping expedition through the jungles of South Eats Asia to a service centre in Darwin or Townsville!
 
You are either completely oblivious or an Ineos rep.
Heater issues yes
Battery Drain, Dont they all now?
Battery not charging My smart alternator is worse than the loaners for sure
Car Play/ Android Issues nope all good
Can’t Reset service indicator Stupid
Problems with tail lights nope
ADAS Oddly, it didnt really bug me.
i'll play...

Add:

Door handles. Almost lost the wife out the door, and unfortunately it got fixed under warranty before I could finish the job.
Self locking front axle. Replaced
3-2 shift clunk.
 
Good work, you do it for the love of the brand and constant desire to help the group.
It is part of my ongoing rehab from the high-speed car accident, including the brain injury.

You can view things as half full or half empty. I prefer half full, as the half empty group are an unhappy lot.

I lost quite few things in the accident, but I focus on what I can do and that includes travel in the IG. I am hoping to go to the Kimberly this year.

full
 
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In my case w/ 2024 TM:

Heater issues: No
Battery drain: No
Battery not charging: No
Car Play issues: Issue with it after the last big update. I removed my phone and re-added it and no longer had an issue with it.
Can’t reset service indicator: This has always been this way. Not really an issue
Problems with tail lights: No
ADAS: Fixed during th big update.

I don’t know why you have these issues, but not all are experiencing what you listed.
Don't let him wind you up.
 
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The chart shows "x number of days before Jan 1 2026" on the y-axis and each dates number on the list of names across the x-axis (Excel battled me to put ya'lls names on the chart and I'm not good enough with it to make it happen). Since it is already organized by ascending number, it makes a nice line. I'm curious if this would look the same if it were compared against the manufacture date of the vehicle or an individual module in it.
 
I mostly just let mine cycle the display while I drive. I have all the bongs turned off or down as far as they go. I don't get an audio alert for the service notification.

It appears, at least on my rig, that pushing the Trip button once selects the Trip field and the notification field, and that each stays selected while cycling back and forth. But I can only acknowledge and cancel the service alert if I do not push the Trip button again until the service alert is showing. And if I push it a second time while the trip field is showing, I cannot then cancel the service alert at all. There is discussion above about using the menu buttons, but I haven't tried that.
Pressing the rotary dial in the center console works for me if the trip button seems to freeze up.
 
Well it's official 3/4 grenadiers.in our fleet have the bug. I finally gave up and started mine and I got a service overdue of 2141.
 
Since this is based on actual first hand experience, can you give us a few other specific personal examples of this occurring in you life... or was that just inserted to add a little gravitas to a simple opinion being wielded as a poorly veiled personal attack, that you claim to be afraid of occurring, as if it extends some plausible deniability for said attack?
Despite your ad hominem attack, sure, I can provide an example.

I worked as an air traffic controller for over 25 years at Anchorage ARTCC. By area, Anchorage ARTCC is the largest en route air traffic control facility in the world, with over 33 million square miles of airspace. Our airspace starts at the north pole and is bounded by Canada to the east, Russia and Japan to the west and the Pacific Ocean to the south. This facility controlls traffic in and out of all the airports in Alaska, but also controlls a very large portion of the air traffic flying between North America and Asia.

Up until the late 1990's, en route aircraft were separated vertically by 1,000' up to FL 290 and by 2,000' above that. Procedures - both domestic and by international treaty - dictated that eastbound aircraft would be assigned odd altitudes up to FL 290, then every 4,000' above that. So eastbound altitudes were FL 290, 330, 370, 410, 450 and so on. Westbound altitudes were even up to FL280, then FL 310, 350, 390, 430 and so on. This standard was established for and applied to all aircraft with altimetry certified for IFR under their country of registration's regulations. In other words, all aircraft had altimeters that were accurate enough that when a 2,000' vertical separation standard at FL 290 was applied, even the worst altimeter would not result in two aircraft colliding due to the lack of vertical separation. For an application of this standard, imagine an aircraft flying westbound at FL 310 passing directly below another aircraft flying opposite direction on the same route at FL 330. They'd be separated by a pressure altitude of 2,000'.

Beginning in the early 2000's, technology had advanced enough that precision altimetry, autopilot systems that hold a specified altitude and collision alerting systems (onboard aircraft) had advanced enough that 1,000' vertical separation criteria could be safely applied between properly equipped aircraft above FL 290. Take note of the caveat "properly equipped aircraft" because it's hugely important. Many areas of Anchorage ARTCC at the time had no radar (or other surveillance) and either poor on no direct radio communicatons between air traffic controllers and aircraft. One such area was a nonradar and no radio route segment where aircraft left Canada and flew into Alaska over Yakutat. Aircraft here flew for nearly an hour without any radar surveillance and no direct radio communication with air traffic control. Their position, route, assigned altitude, aircraft type and navigational equipment capabilities were recorded by hand on paper strips about 1-1/2" high and 7" long. As a controller at Anchorage ARTCC, I'd have a paper strip for each aircraft showing it's last position report in Canada and an estimate for when it should show up on my radar about an hour later over Yakutat. There might be 6 or 8 aircraft flightplanned east or west over Yakutat at any one time.

One auspicious day, the facility manager and the union president (representing the controllers) made the surpise announcement that we would now be separating aircraft on the route over Yakutat by a new standard called RVSM that allowed 1,000' vertical separation. This would allow many more aircraft to be on the same (or opposite route) since you could have one aircraft every 1,000' vertically instead of every 2,000'. This would alleviate congestion at airports as far east as New York and points farther west. "Oh, and by the way, you'll still need to apply 2,000' vertical separation to any aircraft not equipped to the RVSM standard," they said.

This announcement was met with consternation from a fair number of controllers. On midnight shifts, this route was worked by just one controller. In addition to this route, this controller would also be respsonsible for providing nonradar (no radar surveillance) approach control services in and out of at least three active airports in southeast Alaska as well as radar sequencing aircraft in and out of Anchorage from the east, all while monitoring/using more than a dozen VHF / UHF radio frequency pairs. In case it's not clear, that's a lot. And for a dirty little aviation secret, tired, sleep-deprived controllers and pilots working the midnight shift aren't the sharpest knife in the drawer, if you get my meaning.

The problem with this new procedure was that the east and west altitudes now worked out like this (I'll just go up to FL 450):
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East - 290,     310,      330,      350,      370,      390,      410,      430,    450,   ... and so on
West -     300, 310, 320,      340, 350, 360,      380, 390, 400,      420,     440,       ... and so on
I've aligned the two rows to make it easier - can you see the problem here? That's right, some opposite-direction aircraft will be at the same altitude. In nonradar environments, and especially where there is no direct radio communications between a controller and a pilot, vertical separation is a CORNERSTONE of safe air traffic control. I can't stress this enough . . . vertical separation in these cases is like a commandment handed down from the air traffic control gods . . . you don't violate this tenet.

But - and here's your example @Zimm , the facility chief and the union president told all of us controllers it would be very easy to avoid any problems. "Just look at the aircraft equipment suffix, then apply the appropriate vertical separation minima to each aircraft," they said. I and others pointed out that aiming opposite direction aircraft at each other at the same altitude on a route where there was no radar, no direct comm and nothing other than occasionally imperfect people to detect imminent collisions was extraordinarily dangerous. "Nope," they said, "it'll be easy."

I wrote a letter to my senator and explained that my employer was making a very foolish decision regarding the partial implementation of RVSM (the new 1,000' vertical separation criteria) and putting people's lives in danger. I wasn't fired only because my right to communicate with my senator was legally protected. The senator's staff wrote my employer and asked the very same people implenting this reckless program if there was any problem. Of course, they replied "No - all good here."

Within a year, a controller (not me) made a mistake and two opposite-direction aircraft at the same altitude near Yakutat and not within radar coverage had to take emergency evasive action to avoid a mid-air collision. Blame here was assigned to the controller for failing to identify the conflict. True . . . but entirely predictable. I wrote my senator again and said "Do you remember that bad thing I said would probably happen? Well, it happened. Will you do anything to help now?" I went on to explain that if those aircraft had actually collided, they and the nearly 1,000 passengers would have plunged into the dark, icy and completely inaccessible glaciers and ice fields north of Yakutat where Mt. St. Elias rises to 18,000 feet. Rescue, let alone recovery, would have been impossible . . . actually impossible. So the senator's staff again wrote the very same people responsible for implementing this program and asked if there was a problem. Of course, they replied "No - all good here."

There were several other close calls where controllers made "mistakes," although I'm not sure that's the right word when the game is rigged against you. Eventually, all aircraft were required to have RVSM equipment and the result was that no more aircraft were head on at the same altitude. East altitudes were all odd and west altitudes were all even once more.

@Zimm , I know you're on the edge of your seat by now. You might ask why the facility manager and union president were so eager to cast the solution to an extraordinarily complex problem to be something as simple as "Just look at the aircraft equipment suffix (you dummy), then apply the appropriate vertical separation minima to each aircraft." Well, it turns out RVSM had never been implemented in any United States air traffic facility before this, and reports suggest our manager wanted to be the first. He was, and it was quite a feather in his cap, no doubt affecting his career in a very positive and predictable manner. When the facility manager asked the controller's union president to agree to a new procedure for RVSM (required by the collective bargaining agreement), the president didn't want the people he represented to be cast as stupid or inept, so he agreed without the least hesitation.

So there you go. People suggesting simple solutions to complex problems often have a motivation other than the best outcome. The facility manager and union president survived their decision by sheer outhouse luck . . . not because they took the time to do the hard work of developing, testing and implementing what would have no doubt been a much more complex solution to a complex problem.

<end of fun and almost nearly very tragic story>

p.s., The senator in this story died about 10 years later . . . in an aircraft accident.
 
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