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New Year Service Overdue Bug

No, that seems not to be the case, and I have been driving several times. The only thing that could be different from most of us, is that my car is a year 2023 model, no wireless Android available, BUT ...
I work with a cheap dongle to have anyway wireless Android. But I don't think that would be the explanation for my "non-issue".
Mine is also MY23 with no wireless Android but I too have a 3rd party dongle in the socket and mine has the 2026 overdue feature.

I think you should contact your dealer and ask them to investigate why you don't have it!

I haven't seen any theorists try to explain why this happened for 2026 but didn't happen last year or the year before. This is the second new year my car has lived through and there were no issues last year.
 
I got the same thing today, except 1968 days as I clicked over 32,700km.

Looks like it is only affecting AU firmware so far.

Let's have a competition on who gets the highest number.

TALLY (Updated)
Krabby 1492 days
ResponsiblyReckless 1625 days
Chook 1840 days
anti 1841 days
Itsdchz 1841 days, first US car with the pox
BrandonADV 1852 days
TahoeGren 1852 days
Rocky 1856 days
Znarfgh 1864 days
PB60 1865 days
Pat-Ard 1868 days
Rok Dr 1869 days
Malkay 1875 days
Sonoranrover 1875 days
linksk9rig 1877 day
BluDawg 1879 days
Shopkeep 1879 days
rabia 1879
PNW IG 1881 days
Michael H 1889 days
Robt 1890 days
Chem409 1890 days
Blackwolf 1891 days
Duncan McDonald 1892 days
joejet 1894 days
grnamin 1897 days
Korg 1899 days
GrenADV 1901 days
stefan.schaefer.de 1906 days
Grumpy 1906 days
HeavyFoot 1915 days
pedrogb1915 days
Tom Ireland 1916 days
Jax F1 Dave 1917 days
Woody 1919 days
UncleBuck 1924 days
Force Pro 1924 days
Voader O 1925 days
OGrid 1927 days
singlefin 1927 days
WhiteBear 1931 days, first car outside ANZ
ecohen2 1932 days
Forefun 1933 days
Happyoldgit 1933 days
DaveB 1935 days
OkGo 1937 days
prezioson 1940 days
NixGrenadier 1940 days
Peterr's neighour 1944 days
ddv 1945 days (Aug 2023)
Tergosa 1946 days
Rudilf 1948 days
Johnb 1950 days
Fred 1950 days
Antgil 1953 days
TheBMcCann 1953 days
Camilondo 1953 days
nr002 1954 days
Knoe 1955 days
rickydoc 1961 days
Peterr 1961 days
Bjoern 1864 days
Jeremy966 1967 days
Ex-defender driver 1968 days
TheDocAUS 1968 days (Feb 2024)
shekesc 1969 days
Denis M 1975 days
Augustin 1979 days
Telliottaus 1980 days
rwhitinger's better half 1981 days
joejet 1989 days
Mohs9 1989 days
MattG 1989 days
Jonnieblaze 1950 days
Green Gren 1903 days
TJD 1985 days
Phred 1994 days
douggie 1995 days
Phud 1996 days
Des Mattes 2003 days
Glen 2007 days
Badger4x4 2007 days
Adam 2007 days
Baron van T 2009 days
Tomdoc 2016 days
gratefuldiver 2021 days
Silverjay 2022 days
theox 2024 days
Chris Hilton 2024 days
Tony H 2025 days
SaudiGR 2026 days
Landmannn 2044 days
Oscar786 2045 days
acky 2048 days
n545ca 2050 days
Logsplitter 2051 days
Commodore 2057 days
NeoGTi 2057 days
HelgeL 2059 days
Greasemonkey 2059 days
Lollo050968 2074 days
Citori21 2081 days
bakepl 2082 days
MurphyMurph 2085 days
McPharmerII 2088 days
Barney 2091 days
Wile E Coyote 2095 days
Dschubba 2097 days
Stu Barnes 2097 days
Manuel4x4 2106 days
Mazeman 2107 days
Jork 2113 days
KlasN 2123 days
Wueste 2123 days
Brock63 2124 days
Tazzieman 2137 days
skinny tom 2139 days
Tenac loaner 2139 days
Phobiac 2141 days
archerwolf 2146 days
pipo 2149 days
Skymark 2156 days
ADVAW8S 2159 days
Keato 2069 days
Ever Pragmatic 2141 days
StKesseler 2171
slukell 2175 days
Emil 2190 days
emax 2233 days
bigleonski 2250 days
Ron50 2253 days
Torc Steel 2277 days
Clark Kent 2367 days
C-Mack 2458 days
DeepCJ7 2651 days
mirwantandyo 2668 days
rwhitinger 6410 days


Steve B, baders and Jean Mercier no alert.

INEOS has acknowledged the issue here.

The numbers seem very random. The only thing I can see, is the date is before each car was even made - over 5 years ago. EDIT: every number is 4 digits and all are above 1800.
Old Salt 1919 days. Wonder if it has to do with the built date. My build date is 3/24.
 
TALLY (Updated)
Krabby 1492 days
ResponsiblyReckless 1625 days
Chook 1840 days
anti 1841 days
Itsdchz 1841 days, first US car with the pox
BrandonADV 1852 days
TahoeGren 1852 days
Rocky 1856 days
Bjoern 1864 days
Znarfgh 1864 days
PB60 1865 days
Pat-Ard 1868 days
Rok Dr 1869 days
Malkay 1875 days
Sonoranrover 1875 days
linksk9rig 1877 day
BluDawg 1879 days
Shopkeep 1879 days
rabia 1879 days
mji111 1880 days
PNW IG 1881 days
Michael H 1889 days
Robt 1890 days
Chem409 1890 days
Blackwolf 1891 days
Duncan McDonald 1892 days
joejet 1894 days
grnamin 1897 days
TimeosYoc 1899 days
Korg 1899 days
LPT FSJ 1900 days
GrenADV 1901 days
Green Gren 1903 days
stefan.schaefer.de 1906 days
Grumpy 1906 days
HeavyFoot 1915 days
pedrogb 1915 days
Tom Ireland 1916 days
Jax F1 Dave 1917 days
Woody 1919 days
UncleBuck 1924 days
Force Pro 1924 days
Voader O 1925 days
OGrid 1927 days
singlefin 1927 days
DrahthaarGuide 1929 days
WhiteBear 1931 days, first car outside ANZ
ecohen2 1932 days
oilpresuure 1933 days
Forefun 1933 days
Happyoldgit 1933 days
DaveB 1935 days
OkGo 1937 days
prezioson 1940 days
NixGrenadier 1940 days
Peterr's neighour 1944 days
ddv 1945 days (Aug 2023)
Tergosa 1946 days
Rudilf 1948 days
Johnb 1950 days
Fred 1950 days
Antgil 1953 days
TheBMcCann 1953 days
Camilondo 1953 days
nr002 1954 days
Knoe 1955 days
rickydoc 1961 days
Peterr 1961 days
Jeremy966 1967 days
Ex-defender driver 1968 days
TheDocAUS 1968 days (Feb 2024)
shekesc 1969 days
SilverNZ 1971 days
Joe B 1971 days
Denis M 1975 days
Augustin 1979 days
Telliottaus 1980 days
rwhitinger's better half 1981 days
joejet 1989 days
Mohs9 1989 days
MattG 1989 days
Jonnieblaze 1950 days
TJD 1985 days
Phred 1994 days
douggie 1995 days
Isle of Wight Paul 1996 days
Phud 1996 days
Des Mattes 2003 days
Glen 2007 days
Badger4x4 2007 days
Adam 2007 days
Baron van T 2009 days
Tomdoc 2016 days
gratefuldiver 2021 days
Silverjay 2022 days
theox 2024 days
Chris Hilton 2024 days
Tony H 2025 days
SaudiGR 2026 days
Landmannn 2044 days
Oscar786 2045 days
acky 2048 days
n545ca 2050 days
Logsplitter 2051 days
Commodore 2057 days
NeoGTi 2057 days
HelgeL 2059 days
Greasemonkey 2059 days
SD Jeff 2063 days
Keato 2069 days
Lollo050968 2074 days
HessenHUnter 2081 days
Citori21 2081 days
bakepl 2082 days
MurphyMurph 2085 days
McPharmerII 2088 days
Barney 2091 days
Wile E Coyote 2095 days
DrewB 2096 days
Dschubba 2097 days
Stu Barnes 2097 days
Manuel4x4 2106 days
Mazeman 2107 days
Jork 2113 days
KlasN 2123 days
Wueste 2123 days
Brock63 2124 days
Tazzieman 2137 days
skinny tom 2139 days
Tenac loaner 2139 days
Phobiac 2141 days
archerwolf 2146 days
pipo 2149 days
Skymark 2156 days
ADVAW8S 2159 days
Ever Pragmatic 2141 days
StKesseler 2171
slukell 2175 days
Emil 2190 days
emax 2233 days
bigleonski 2250 days
Ron50 2253 days
Torc Steel 2277 days
Clark Kent 2367 days
C-Mack 2458 days
Jorda 2503 days
DeepCJ7 2651 days
mirwantandyo 2668 days
rwhitinger 6410 days

SUMMARY
149 members and an additional 3 members with no alert (4 if you include some chap in Townsville).

List order was also fixed, some names were out of order.

No change to first or last place.
 
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TALLY (Updated)
Krabby 1492 days
ResponsiblyReckless 1625 days
Chook 1840 days
anti 1841 days
Itsdchz 1841 days, first US car with the pox
BrandonADV 1852 days
TahoeGren 1852 days
Rocky 1856 days
Bjoern 1864 days
Znarfgh 1864 days
PB60 1865 days
Pat-Ard 1868 days
Rok Dr 1869 days
Malkay 1875 days
Sonoranrover 1875 days
linksk9rig 1877 day
BluDawg 1879 days
Shopkeep 1879 days
rabia 1879 days
PNW IG 1881 days
Michael H 1889 days
Robt 1890 days
Chem409 1890 days
Blackwolf 1891 days
Duncan McDonald 1892 days
joejet 1894 days
grnamin 1897 days
Korg 1899 days
LPT FSJ 1900 days
GrenADV 1901 days
Green Gren 1903 days
stefan.schaefer.de 1906 days
Grumpy 1906 days
HeavyFoot 1915 days
pedrogb 1915 days
Tom Ireland 1916 days
Jax F1 Dave 1917 days
Woody 1919 days
UncleBuck 1924 days
Force Pro 1924 days
Voader O 1925 days
OGrid 1927 days
singlefin 1927 days
DrahthaarGuide 1929 days
WhiteBear 1931 days, first car outside ANZ
ecohen2 1932 days
oilpresuure 1933 days
Forefun 1933 days
Happyoldgit 1933 days
DaveB 1935 days
OkGo 1937 days
prezioson 1940 days
NixGrenadier 1940 days
Peterr's neighour 1944 days
ddv 1945 days (Aug 2023)
Tergosa 1946 days
Rudilf 1948 days
Johnb 1950 days
Fred 1950 days
Antgil 1953 days
TheBMcCann 1953 days
Camilondo 1953 days
nr002 1954 days
Knoe 1955 days
rickydoc 1961 days
Peterr 1961 days
Jeremy966 1967 days
Ex-defender driver 1968 days
TheDocAUS 1968 days (Feb 2024)
shekesc 1969 days
SilverNZ 1971 days
Joe B 1971 days
Denis M 1975 days
Augustin 1979 days
Telliottaus 1980 days
rwhitinger's better half 1981 days
joejet 1989 days
Mohs9 1989 days
MattG 1989 days
Jonnieblaze 1950 days
TJD 1985 days
Phred 1994 days
douggie 1995 days
Isle of Wight Paul 1996 days
Phud 1996 days
Des Mattes 2003 days
Glen 2007 days
Badger4x4 2007 days
Adam 2007 days
Baron van T 2009 days
Tomdoc 2016 days
gratefuldiver 2021 days
Silverjay 2022 days
theox 2024 days
Chris Hilton 2024 days
Tony H 2025 days
SaudiGR 2026 days
Landmannn 2044 days
Oscar786 2045 days
acky 2048 days
n545ca 2050 days
Logsplitter 2051 days
Commodore 2057 days
NeoGTi 2057 days
HelgeL 2059 days
Greasemonkey 2059 days
SD Jeff 2063 days
Keato 2069 days
Lollo050968 2074 days
HessenHUnter 2081 days
Citori21 2081 days
bakepl 2082 days
MurphyMurph 2085 days
McPharmerII 2088 days
Barney 2091 days
Wile E Coyote 2095 days
DrewB 2096 days
Dschubba 2097 days
Stu Barnes 2097 days
Manuel4x4 2106 days
Mazeman 2107 days
Jork 2113 days
KlasN 2123 days
Wueste 2123 days
Brock63 2124 days
Tazzieman 2137 days
skinny tom 2139 days
Tenac loaner 2139 days
Phobiac 2141 days
archerwolf 2146 days
pipo 2149 days
Skymark 2156 days
ADVAW8S 2159 days
Ever Pragmatic 2141 days
StKesseler 2171
slukell 2175 days
Emil 2190 days
emax 2233 days
bigleonski 2250 days
Ron50 2253 days
Torc Steel 2277 days
Clark Kent 2367 days
C-Mack 2458 days
Jorda 2503 days
DeepCJ7 2651 days
mirwantandyo 2668 days
rwhitinger 6410 days

SUMMARY
147 members and an additional 3 members with no alert (4 if you include some chap in Townsville).

List order was also fixed, some names were out of order.

No change to first or last place.
How am I still not on the list. I guess I’ve pissed you off enough.
 
I repeat, in my case, NO service reminder warning, and the date is correct 🤔

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It feels like I am excluded from the Grenadier community :eek:😢:ROFLMAO:
My build number is 9848, and I still have no service reminder, so I still feel like I am missing out.
What is your build number Jean, I know it is a lot earlier than mine, and if I remember yours is petrol, mine is diesel, you are in Belgium I am in Australia, or are we just special, or has Ineos forgot that we exist.

Steve.
 
Not even close to the leader, but a respectable 1899…
 

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Found this comment on the Reddit Grenadier forum. I don't know if it works, I just tried it (though without engine running, just key set to accessory mode) and will check on it later or tomorrow. If it doesn't work with engine off , I'll give it a try with the engine running next time I'm out and about.

Do post here if this works for you:

"We think we resolved the service overdue warning in another thread about it, but here’s how to fix it - go into settings, manually set the date to 2026, not 2032, turn off and lock the doors, come back a half hour later and the service message is resolved. Why our clocks jumped from 2025 to 2032 is a separate issue, but for now we won’t all have the service death bongy"

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I'm wondering whether this issue is actually based on data that is onboard.
I tried changing my Date to actual current date and to a date in the past, and it had no impact on my "overdue" days. Is it possible that the service due information is somehow kept offline?
 
I'm wondering whether this issue is actually based on data that is onboard.
I tried changing my Date to actual current date and to a date in the past, and it had no impact on my "overdue" days. Is it possible that the service due information is somehow kept offline?

I suspect that changing the date manually in the console to be the real date today, and turning off the vehicle, locking the doors, waiting some time, I don't think that will fix this issue, but it's worth trying. You did this and it didn't fix the issue.

I'm confident that this is based on data that is on board, in the ECU most likely. The date/time might be fed in from outside, via the GPS unit perhaps. The center console is a separate unit, and there are other computers in the vehicle, they all get information from and send data to the ECU over the CANbus, a vehicle 'ethernet' network if you like. Think about how Teslas are updated over the internet, but for this vehicle, you have to visit a dealer to get updates to software, to reset things, or you yourself have to plug in a USB drive to the car for it to see an update and then load it when you tell it to. So it is very unlikely that there is any data or comms happening between the vehicle and the 'cloud' or back to INEOS, the only input from outside in a network sense is coming as input-only from the GPS sensor, no data is going out from the Grenadier over the airwaves or internet. Well, unless you have a tracker planted in your car.

It is possible that an erroneous input from GPS that fed a date in 2032 to vehicle systems caused this, and that GPS now giving correct dates can't undo it.

Things in an ECU and other computing components in a vehicle are simpler than you'd see on a PC or Mac or even a mobile phone, space is limited, memory is limited, I've seen this in software written for space vehicles -- a lot of constraints.

To determine if service is due, there is either a computation done within the ECU that compares the last service reset or date, with today's date, or there is a simple memory location that acts as a counter, and increments by 1 each day, and that another part of the code reads and an 'if' statement that says: "if COUNTER is > 365, tell console to display COUNTER - 365 days overdue for service". Could be other ways to do this.

I'm betting on the latter, as date adding and subtracting is tricky, and a counter that can be reset to 0 and count up by 1 daily is much, much simpler for the purpose of determining how many days since your vehicle service has been done (and service counter reset).

The days overdue for service increments at 1800 Eastern time, which is UTC+1 midnight time (most of the EU, incl. France), and the ECU I think updates the counter by 1 at that time. It's possible that the ECU will take the new date at that time and calculate the difference between it and the service reset date, and increment the service counter by that many days, but that seems unlikely as it's more complication than needed to do this function. Still, maybe there are vehicles that they expect may be de-powered for long periods, maybe in shipping, and they coded it to take the date from GPS and do those calculations.

Having said that, this is all speculation based on experience with embedded systems, but not any knowledge or experience with the internals of the Grenadier's systems. I am chomping at the bit to get access to the embedded systems architecture and software, I'd even sign an NDA if necessary, to understand what happened in this case and help improve these systems. The Grenadier platform is brilliant, and I think it should be stuck with mostly, with changes coming as fixes, improvements, iterating evolution, not start over or make huge changes like you see with between the 5th and 6th gen 4Runners, but you didn't see between 4th and 5th gen.

My best guess is that 5 year's worth of days was added to the internal ECU time and it incremented the service counter by that many days. Could have been that a date in 2032 was provided to the ECU, could be that something jumped that Service counter by that many days, no idea.

Whether changing the date manually in the console and having the ECU pick up on that and then adjust the service counter, I don't know -- I hope so, would then be easy to fix this.

I trust IA engineers are working this, and we'll hear relatively soon what happened and what to do about it.

I wonder how bound IA is to proprietary hardware and software that is limiting and constraining what they can do. Engine management and other systems, would be nice to have open source alternatives.

/s.
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