Whatever the actual issue is ... when I got in this morning felt that the humidity was higher inside than outside (inside fogged up with air recirculate - turned AC on to clear). We've had some rain these past few days but nothing heavy or long duration (I've thinking we are actually in a drought). Water is getting inside/ some where and no one would find that acceptible in a new car. I'll be pulling a few things "up" this weekend looking.UPDATE MAY 8TH 2024
Ineos UK called me in response to the additional emails I had sent them and had a 30 minute call with me.
They are escalating internally and are going to liaise with the US regional manager, who is probably my dealer contact anyway, and will do all they can to get my vehicle fixed and to investigate the rubber trim issue I have identified, as well as the door seals and the A/C dripping issue.
They did tell me that the door seal issue is a well known problem and they are seeing a lot of claims on this. The flooding/deluge/gushing anomaly is something they will investigate further now I have raised this and made the videos I have.
I felt like they are concerned and taking this seriously, and I was pleased with the attention. I clearly stated I want the car repaired and serviceable as overall they have created a winner. But a leaking car and poor dealer service are not welcome, whether the dealer's fault or not. I told them I did not want Tesla quality.
Even if water does not leak into the vehicle as @Zimm and I are debating, having water retention of a gallon or two in the door sill is not a design feature that is acceptable. Simply diverting that water flow from the gutter prevents this. If you wash your car and deluge the door frame by spraying the hose into the same A pillar gap it should drain away and not collect and sit until you open the door. My Toyota and no other car I have owned in recent memory does this. My Toyota has roof channels that flow the water down the side of the windshield.
In fact even if the water gets into the A pillar gap it should not get between the seals, which is what is happening, and where the water is being trapped.@Zimm
Wading in deep water might cause issues, but then we do expect some consequences of driving through rivers anyway. I'd still expect the water to drain away however and not be held like a bucket.
Toyota photos attached for reference.
Well I’ve seen a vehicle delivered to a dealer from port and before pdi with the door seal hanging down outside the door! Just for information guys
That seal also clearly shows the “modification” of “recall corrective process” whatever we want to call the cutting of the door seal.
I guess that will be awesome when wading.
I had water in between the door seals that poured out onto the ground in front of my feet.I think we are making excuses for a crap design that stops the water being channeled away from the A pillars effectively. Yes, the seals should seal as that's sort of the point of a sealbut at the same time channelling gallons/liters of water into the door shut is not a genius design.
So if I understand you correctly you are saying it is ok and satisfactory for water to pour from the roof into the door shut (also known as the door jam) down the A pillar in copious quantities as long as the door seals seal effectively that should prevent it the water from collecting in the door sill between the seals?
While I might be willing to accept that it seems ludicrous to me that having water deluge into the door shut as acceptable when a simple roof gutter modification would stop that entirely. Irrespective, the door seals should work and clearly do not unless affixed correctly.
As I and another poster said, our old Defenders did not exhibit this issue, and my Toyota 4Runner does not either. No water is channeled into the door shut as the roof is designed to channel the water away more effectively.
It sounds like we are making excuses to give Ineos a pass.
So had a "footwash" on the driver's side this morning for 1st time. But none on passenger side (2 times in past 4+ months). No water past the door seal on the vehicle side. In closer inspection of the water "footprint" totally dry above the level of the foot tread and before the vehicle side door seal. If the cut outs on the bottom of the door side seal are the problem how does water travel up the side of the vehicle into the footwell area? No water falling from above inside the vehicle. Only water drip was at the point of windshield gutter guard and gutter and it was dripping just on the foot tread.
. No water footprint from the gutter guard down the A pillar side of the vehicle.
The cuts aren't the problem, they are an attempted solution.
That's what I was thinking - the cut outs are not the problem. Seemed that it was implied they were. May have misread.
Did you check the integrity of the seals by giving them a good tugging all the way around? Any gap lower down would allow drainage and miraculously cure the problem.
The cutouts are a solution to the water retention. I wonder how this impacts wading? We have to assume if the inner seal is good then it will not as long as we don't exceed the wading limits specified. The one side effect of water collecting in the sill and draining is you end up with dirty sills in the door shut every time this happens. This is observed and photographed on my vehicle and the loaners where the lower door seals have failed as the water drains and leave muck behind. That muck is coming off the vehicle as the water runs off the roof etc and spills into the gap at the A pillar, nicely facilitated by the rubber trim on the roof gutter.That's what I was thinking - the cut outs are not the problem. Seemed that it was implied they were. May have misread.
Does it rain upside down in your stateSo had a "footwash" on the driver's side this morning for 1st time. But none on passenger side (2 times in past 4+ months). No water past the door seal on the vehicle side. In closer inspection of the water "footprint" totally dry above the level of the foot tread and before the vehicle side door seal. If the cut outs on the bottom of the door side seal are the problem how does water travel up the side of the vehicle into the footwell area? No water falling from above inside the vehicle. Only water drip was at the point of windshield gutter guard and gutter and it was dripping just on the foot tread.
Hi Nodric, Thanks for making this great video. After reviewing it I have come away with two conclusions. 1 - If the door seal is correctly attached and secure it should prevent rain from getting between the 2 seals and or the seals need to be redesigned. 2 - Perhaps the end of the gutter piece you removed needs to be redesigned to deflect all water onto the front windshield to keep any from coming down the A pillar. Likely a combination of both are going to be needed. DaBull
Someone good at CAD drawing and a 3D printer to make a prototype would be useful ... or maybe dismantle the existing piece, put silicone inside and remount it, that should help too. I will try the silicone option next weekend when I get back from my work trip.
