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INEOS will NOT protect order holders in the US from dealer markups

Jiman01

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Never pay cash on a depreciating asset.
 

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Who is giving 0% on anything nowadays?
Nissan, if you're interested in a Murano or a Titan, but that's all I've seen lately. They must be struggling to offer that.
 

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Never pay cash on a depreciating asset.

The decision to buy a depreciating asset in the first place is what sucks your net worth away from you. This is independent of whether you bought it with your own cash or with someone else's cash that you paid a premium for.

Buying a depreciating asset with borrowed money instead of cash has its own pros and cons. Everyone's capital and cashflow requirements are different. For some, just leasing one and never owning it could be optimal. Business users especially, for tax advantages.
 

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The decision to buy a depreciating asset in the first place is what sucks your net worth away from you. This is independent of whether you bought it with your own cash or with someone else's cash that you paid a premium for.

Buying a depreciating asset with borrowed money instead of cash has its own pros and cons. Everyone's capital and cashflow requirements are different. For some, just leasing one and never owning it could be optimal. Business users especially, for tax advantages.
That would depend on each countries tax laws.
I purchase a vehicle on finance or cash i can depreciate that vehicle over say 5 years (depending on value) up to about $76K.
If it is under finance I can claim the interest on the finance as a business expense.
If I buy my own computer I can claim it as depreciation or a lump sum depending on value.
Basically everyone's financial situation is different.
I strongly recommend seeking financial advice from an accountant rather than an internet forum or Facebook.
 

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My financial situation is simple: except for our house (which has been paid off for 14 years now), I never take out a loan and only buy what I have the money for. Be it a beer or my Grenadier.

Has been working well for 66 years now.
 

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Never pay cash on a depreciating asset.

Depreciating asset reminds me of this story:

INTEL OCT. 4, 2007

‘In Economic Terms, You Are a Depreciating Asset’​


It’s an age-old question: Why, in this city jam-packed with rich, smart, pretty people, is it so hard for hot ladies to find mates? This week, the definitive answer appeared on Craigslist, where the answers to all urban koans may be found. “I’m a beautiful (spectacularly beautiful) 25 year old girl,” wrote a poster who called herself an “enterprising young woman.”


“I’m looking to get married to a guy who makes at least half a million a year. I know how that sounds, but keep in mind that a million a year is middle class in New York City, so I don’t think I’m overreaching at all… I am looking for MARRIAGE ONLY… I wouldn’t be searching for these kind of guys if I wasn’t able to match them – in looks, culture, sophistication, and keeping a nice home and hearth. What am I doing wrong?”

Well, for starters, “hearth”? Kidding. It’s the economy, stupid!

A businessman offers his sage advice:


I read your posting with great interest and have thought meaningfully about your dilemma. I offer the following analysis of your predicament. Firstly, I’m not wasting your time, I qualify as a guy who fits your bill; that is I make more than $500K per year. That said here’s how I see it.

Your offer, from the prospective of a guy like me, is plain and simple a cr@ppy business deal. Here’s why. Cutting through all the B.S., what you suggest is a simple trade: you bring your looks to the party and I bring my money. Fine, simple. But here’s the rub, your looks will fade and my money will likely continue into perpetuity … in fact, it is very likely that my income increases but it is an absolute certainty that you won’t be getting any more beautiful!

So, in economic terms you are a depreciating asset and I am an earning asset. Not only are you a depreciating asset, your depreciation accelerates! Let me explain, you’re 25 now and will likely stay pretty hot for the next 5 years, but less so each year. Then the fade begins in earnest. By 35 stick a fork in you!

So in Wall Street terms, we would call you a trading position, not a buy and hold … hence the rub … marriage. It doesn’t make good business sense to “buy you” (which is what you’re asking) so I’d rather lease. In case you think I’m being cruel, I would say the following. If my money were to go away, so would you, so when your beauty fades I need an out. It’s as simple as that. So a deal that makes sense is dating, not marriage.

Separately, I was taught early in my career about efficient markets. So, I wonder why a girl as “articulate, classy and spectacularly beautiful” as you has been unable to find your sugar daddy. I find it hard to believe that if you are as gorgeous as you say you are that the $500K hasn’t found you, if not only for a tryout.

By the way, you could always find a way to make your own money and then we wouldn’t need to have this difficult conversation.

With all that said, I must say you’re going about it the right way. Classic “pump and dump.”

We’ll see you in Nebraska, Enterprising!





 

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Yea... i don't think rich people pay in cash. Always let someone else (bank) fund your depreciating assets.
Ideally you lease through an LLC or S Corp. You only pay cash when the rate of borrowing exceeds the rate of return in the market place. Someone offers you 0% - 2% take it every day of your life as it's almost free money. On this, anything less than 4% would be a bargain as treasuries are returning about 4.7% risk free.
 

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My financial situation is simple: except for our house (which has been paid off for 14 years now), I never take out a loan and only buy what I have the money for. Be it a beer or my Grenadier.

Has been working well for 66 years now.
+1👍🏼
 

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My financial situation is simple: except for our house (which has been paid off for 14 years now), I never take out a loan and only buy what I have the money for. Be it a beer or my Grenadier.

Has been working well for 66 years now.
We tend to take the same approach.
We currently have mortgages on two houses but once the sale of one goes through at the end of the month we will then pay this one off as well. .
We paid cash for my wife's car and as mine is a work car we have financed it for tax reasons.
I will pay it off at the end of the month and then trade it in on the Grenadier.
I will probably finance 50% of the Grenadier for the same reason.
We don't have credit cards and haven't had for 20+ years
Other than that if we don't have the cash it doesn't happen.
 

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I don't view buying a car as an asset. It's like buying a washing machine or a TV or clothes. It's just a write off for living. So when someone claps back that buying a new car comes with depreciation, I just shrug it off. I don't worry about the depreciation of my dishwasher either.
 

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I've only bought 2 cars in my life purely for appreciation and later sale; anything you drive for normal use will drop like a rock over the first couple years (with few exceptions). Thinking there is any value to most cars is all subjective at best....
 

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I don't view buying a car as an asset. It's like buying a washing machine or a TV or clothes. It's just a write off for living. So when someone claps back that buying a new car comes with depreciation, I just shrug it off. I don't worry about the depreciation of my dishwasher either.
Exactly
Everyone is different
That has been my exact view until the Grenadier.
In theory it will be the last vehicle I buy
 

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My financial situation is simple: except for our house (which has been paid off for 14 years now), I never take out a loan and only buy what I have the money for. Be it a beer or my Grenadier.

Has been working well for 66 years now.
Also +1… simple, and sleep very well.
 

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Yeah but your dishwasher doesn’t cost $70-$90+K doesn’t it…just sayin’

Either way you do what works for you. It’s all good.
 

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Yeah but your dishwasher doesn’t cost $70-$90+K doesn’t it…just sayin’

Either way you do what works for you. It’s all good.
No but it's all relative. $2000 for a dishwasher is the norm. $70K for an SUV is also the norm.
 

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That’s right - all relative. I’ve always saved up & paid cash for vehicles as I wasn’t in a situation where I could claim tax deductions. My kids (grown up now) were shocked when I told them that the Grenadier was the most expensive thing I have ever bought - it cost 1.7 times the cost of my house, which I bought 38 years ago! BUT the house is now worth about 7 times the cost of the Grenny.
 

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Sadly I feel like a large portion of the orders are from rich people that will prob pay all with cash.. and a $1k-$4k hike is Pennies in the bucket.
In my experience in working with the rich, they don’t get or stay that way thinking that $1k-$4k is pennies in the bucket. However, they will pay for value whether it’s intrinsic or perceptive.
 
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