Americas Front Driveshaft CV redesign

[Commodore]

Ineos crew, there is an issue with the front driveshaft CV at the transfer case side. The acute driveline angle generates heat causing the rubber on the CV to rip and spill grease. This leads to failure of the CV joint and ultimately immediate loss of forward propulsion. The failures have been well documented. Do you have plans to redesign this part or should owners start looking for their own permanent solutions?

This is a serious safety concern that needs to be resolved.

 

[Dokatd]

Considering my dealer offers the Eibach lift off the showroom floor, I find it odd they can deny warranty.

I have had the lift for the last 40000kms, no issues.

I agree. But it's not necessarily Ineos approved I bet.

 

[Clark Kent]

Considering my dealer offers the Eibach lift off the showroom floor, I find it odd they can deny warranty.

I have had the lift for the last 40000kms, no issues.

Posting to prompt discussion, not start a FB-esque fight...

Different consumer laws and protections operate in the USA (where this comment originated) and Australia.
It's a murky area and I would like to hear from someone who has had a driveshaft warranty claim rejected by IA based on an installed lift kit then successfully challenged it, any good will aside.

Your agent, maybe it's Magic Enterprises, is an authorised reseller of Ineos Automotive (IA) vehicles. They are not IA. Modifications involving the fitment of aftermarket parts by your agent does not guarantee that IA will warrant secondary damage arising from those modifications. Our Consumer Guarantees do cover this situation broadly but attributing financial liability is tricky when there are multiple parties involved. The Australian Automotive Aftermarket Association has some commentary on it here, and the screenshot below. Under our ACL the retailer is generally responsible to provide a remedy so your agent still has obligations if there is a driveshaft failure.

Eibach have attempted to distance themselves via this message in their Pro Lift Kit literature.

 

[Commodore]

Ineos are working on a cv with thicker rubber and more strength as during a pseudo Ineos AMA to the Victorian Ineos 4x4 club down here in Australia.

I’m not so sure thicker it really the solution. I’m not an engineer but it seems going thicker is only going to make it more ridged. What is killing this boot is heat generated by constant flexing. Make it thicker out of the same material is only going to generate more heat. They need a different shape and or different more flexible material.

At least that my take but I could be wrong.

Half surprised that someone here with good design skills and a 3d printer hasn’t already stated experimenting with alternatives. The CV itself is fine. It a $1 piece of rubber that is killing us!

 

[Rossh36]

I’m not so sure thicker it really the solution. I’m not an engineer but it seems going thicker is only going to make it more ridged. What is killing this boot is heat generated by constant flexing. Make it thicker out of the same material is only going to generate more heat. They need a different shape and or different more flexible material.

At least that my take but I could be wrong.

Half surprised that someone here with good design skills and a 3d printer hasn’t already stated experimenting with alternatives. The CV itself is fine. It a $1 piece of rubber that is killing us!

I'm not sure either but just passing on comments from our club meeting; I guess the bottom line is that they know and are working on a better solution that the existing boot.

My QM is lifted and a 4.2t gvm upgrade so perhaps it's a waiting game for me....so be it. I'm going to enjoy my machine whilst I can and not stress too much.

 

[Rossh36]

Posting to prompt discussion, not start a FB-esque fight...

Different consumer laws and protections operate in the USA (where this comment originated) and Australia.
It's a murky area and I would like to hear from someone who has had a driveshaft warranty claim rejected by IA based on an installed lift kit then successfully challenged it, any good will aside.

Your agent, maybe it's Magic Enterprises, is an authorised reseller of Ineos Automotive (IA) vehicles. They are not IA. Modifications involving the fitment of aftermarket parts by your agent does not guarantee that IA will warrant secondary damage arising from those modifications. Our Consumer Guarantees do cover this situation broadly but attributing financial liability is tricky when there are multiple parties involved. The Australian Automotive Aftermarket Association has some commentary on it here, and the screenshot below. Under our ACL the retailer is generally responsible to provide a remedy so your agent still has obligations if there is a driveshaft failure.

Eibach have attempted to distance themselves via this message in their Pro Lift Kit literature.

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don't flog your vehicle, look after it and the rest will follow....but if it doesn't go that way, you knew it might happen...so yes, a grey area.

 

[Shoogs]

don't flog your vehicle, look after it and the rest will follow....but if it doesn't go that way, you knew it might happen...so yes, a grey area.

Pretty much, for many years and many Defenders I carried a handful of uni joints and such, always time for a change and cuppa on a lonely track… driven a few kms without a front driveshaft.

 

[Dokatd]

I'm not sure either but just passing on comments from our club meeting; I guess the bottom line is that they know and are working on a better solution that the existing boot.

My QM is lifted and a 4.2t gvm upgrade so perhaps it's a waiting game for me....so be it. I'm going to enjoy my machine whilst I can and not stress too much.

The solution is not a new boot or a new joint, the solution is a new front axle with the diff set in the proper place. They botched the pinion angle vs caster angle.

 

[255/85]

The solution is not a new boot or a new joint, the solution is a new front axle with the diff set in the proper place. They botched the pinion angle vs caster angle.

Isn't the front transfer output kicked up too much also? Wife took the car so I can't go confirm my memory at the moment.

 

[Dokatd]

Isn't the front transfer output kicked up too much also? Wife took the car so I can't go confirm my memory at the moment.

By design it kinda has to be. Well, it could be flat, but basically no drivetrains are completely flat, they almost all tilt slightly. That said, it's only a mi no or amount on the Gren. Certainly not the smoking gun that the axle configuration itself is.