Front Drive Shaft Update

[HeavyFoot]

I'd want some of my stuff like side panels, the grenadier USA parts, my strobes/aux lights, etc all back. If I can harvest spare parts that are still good then those too.
I don't have anywhere to put a husk though. If I did making an electric grenny for short distance stuff would be a project that kicks butt

Or a Grenadier WITHOUT the electric stuff.

 

[Tazzieman]

Or a Grenadier WITHOUT the electric stuff.

Found one, sort of, locally

 

[Dokatd]

I'd want some of my stuff like side panels, the grenadier USA parts, my strobes/aux lights, etc all back. If I can harvest spare parts that are still good then those too.
I don't have anywhere to put a husk though. If I did making an electric grenny for short distance stuff would be a project that kicks butt

I'd love to get the front axle housing assuming it's a locker variant. I'd like something I can use as a core to cut and turn to see if it's possible.

 

[Commodore]

Seen nothing on insta, bluesky, Reddit, nor my mastodon. If you're referring to twitter I haven't used that since it became a racist hellhole. Social media isn't a good way to learn about stuff like that; algorithms tune feeds to people differently.

This really isn't talked about much outside niche forums. And like I mentioned in my opening post, I passed over this site initially due to the intrusive adverts and it not being very disability friendly. I'm only here because someone commented on my Reddit post and once I had the specific search terms found this forum thread.

There's not a recall for the driveshaft in general; it's not a common enough vehicle to make the news when something happens; lift kits are an extremely common thing for off road vehicles; the owl kit isn't some fly by night six random letter Amazon name; it was sold to me by a dealer, which in my state has a certain level of requirement that a vehicle be generally safe to drive.

Without having seen something specific I wouldn't have an indicator to go looking at the lift kit with extra scrutiny.


Frankly, the accusation is insulting. You're posting on a niche forum with obvious knowledge already of the issue.

For example searching "grenadier driveshaft" on most platforms returns Zilch or doesn't stand out
For example
Bluesky: no results
Insta: in the top 50 results one thing actually seems to be related, but the video only slows an upgraded driveshaft spinning to music and in the fine print description does it mention supporting lifts over a certain size. This wouldn't have shown in my feed, and wouldn't have been an obvious indicator as the primary post content makes no mention.
Reddit: Reddit threads aren't very active on the subject unless something happens, and in the few months I've owned this vehicle it hasnt happened. There has been one other post I can find in search results (again, algorithm wanting "relevance") that mentions the driveshaft besides mine and the mention is buried in the comments and the explanation is "Google it."
Mastodon: fediverse, so it doesn't have content related to things like this unless I federated specifically with a car instance or follow someone who talks about it.

Don’t worry none of us racist twitter users are offended by your arrogance. And you wonder why there is such a divide in our country….

 

[hon1nbo]

I'd love to get the front axle housing assuming it's a locker variant. I'd like something I can use as a core to cut and turn to see if it's possible.

Insurance says they'll have an adjuster there tomorrow so it's up in the air. If they total it and it's available for parting we might be able to work something out. I've never had to total a car before and this insurance is the first time I've made a claim with them, so I'm not sure what to expect especially with the holiday.

In other news, some of the photos from today; some are new some are just better quality than the earlier ones since we had the shop lights.

And instant mute to rage baiter.

 

[CRH]

Seen nothing on insta, bluesky, Reddit, nor my mastodon. If you're referring to twitter I haven't used that since it became a racist hellhole. Social media isn't a good way to learn about stuff like that; algorithms tune feeds to people differently.

This really isn't talked about much outside niche forums. And like I mentioned in my opening post, I passed over this site initially due to the intrusive adverts and it not being very disability friendly. I'm only here because someone commented on my Reddit post and once I had the specific search terms found this forum thread.

There's not a recall for the driveshaft in general; it's not a common enough vehicle to make the news when something happens; lift kits are an extremely common thing for off road vehicles; the owl kit isn't some fly by night six random letter Amazon name; it was sold to me by a dealer, which in my state has a certain level of requirement that a vehicle be generally safe to drive.

Without having seen something specific I wouldn't have an indicator to go looking at the lift kit with extra scrutiny.


Frankly, the accusation is insulting. You're posting on a niche forum with obvious knowledge already of the issue.

For example searching "grenadier driveshaft" on most platforms returns Zilch or doesn't stand out
For example
Bluesky: no results
Insta: in the top 50 results one thing actually seems to be related, but the video only slows an upgraded driveshaft spinning to music and in the fine print description does it mention supporting lifts over a certain size. This wouldn't have shown in my feed, and wouldn't have been an obvious indicator as the primary post content makes no mention.
Reddit: Reddit threads aren't very active on the subject unless something happens, and in the few months I've owned this vehicle it hasnt happened. There has been one other post I can find in search results (again, algorithm wanting "relevance") that mentions the driveshaft besides mine and the mention is buried in the comments and the explanation is "Google it."
Mastodon: fediverse, so it doesn't have content related to things like this unless I federated specifically with a car instance or follow someone who talks about it.

Not sure i found the correct comments you made but here goes;
I don't use any other social media things so have no idea of your expectations of this site, we have a few oddballs that you need to tune into but most/all are good people. Obviously people are wary of new posts claiming certain things but some respond better than others.
What i don't understand about some of your comments about this site is the adverts, I have seen none other than the link to the forum store? Also, what do you mean about not being disabled friendly?

Other than that, glad you finally joined the right site for your Grenadier, I hope you get fixed up with a replacement quickly.

 

[Shopkeep]

Not sure i found the correct comments you made but here goes;
I don't use any other social media things so have no idea of your expectations of this site, we have a few oddballs that you need to tune into but most/all are good people. Obviously people are wary of new posts claiming certain things but some respond better than others.
What i don't understand about some of your comments about this site is the adverts, I have seen none other than the link to the forum store? Also, what do you mean about not being disabled friendly?

Other than that, glad you finally joined the right site for your Grenadier, I hope you get fixed up with a replacement quickly.

If you don't log in as a user there is a uniquely large amount of ads plastered all over the page, a cunning ploy to make you register and login.

 

[Krabby]

For discussions sake, let’s say IA issues a recall. Besides basically redesigning and replacing the entire driveline, what’s a realistic solution other than that? If they are really forced to re-engineer and update every truck on the road I’d image they’d be in financial ruin and close shop.

 

[jvkintheusa]

For discussions sake, let’s say IA issues a recall. Besides basically redesigning and replacing the entire driveline, what’s a realistic solution other than that? If they are really forced to re-engineer and update every truck on the road I’d image they’d be in financial ruin and close shop.

Replacing driveline is not going to happen. They will file for bankruptcy protection and that will be the end of IA. I guess we're just screwed.

 

[Krabby]

Replacing driveline is not going to happen. They will file for bankruptcy protection and that will be the end of IA. I guess we're just screwed.

Exactly. So can a financially viable solution be found becomes the real question. I don’t know squat about this stuff so I’m interested to see what options may potentially be available.

 

[jvkintheusa]

Exactly. So can a financially viable solution be found becomes the real question. I don’t know squat about this stuff so I’m interested to see what options may potentially be available.

This is my "solution": weekly dive under the vehicle to check CV boots and two spare Teraflex CVs, and the tools to install them on board.

 

[OkGo]

This is my "solution": weekly dive under the vehicle to check CV boots and two spare Teraflex CVs, and the tools to install them on board.

Surely the moment someone gets hurt, this isn't a viable solution for the entire Grenadier fleet ?

W.r.t finding a solution, it will need to come from IA and they would be well with in their rights to refuse anyone with a lift, modified drive line etc. but for a car that is on the road as they shipped it - there is no way they can claim any sort of protection at the cost of risk to human life off the back of their design.

 

[Jeremy996]

Surely the moment someone gets hurt, this isn't a viable solution for the entire Grenadier fleet ?

W.r.t finding a solution, it will need to come from IA and they would be well with in their rights to refuse anyone with a lift, modified drive line etc. but for a car that is on the road as they shipped it - there is no way they can claim any sort of protection at the cost of risk to human life off the back of their design.

It is not the way the law works; as Ford found out with the Pinto, it was conciously deciding to risk owner's lives and then to cover up their internal findings that caused them the legal issue, not the issue of "poor design" itself.

The incidence of failures without lifts is probably barely or not statistically significant, (as there are other likely failure modes other than "poor design"), so there is unlikely to be any pressure from the authorities. If IA makes warranty fixes for all unlifted vehicle driveshaft failures, that kicks the can down the road for 5 years.

Now, finding an engineered solution would be a good marketing move, but don't put any faith into the federal/UK/EU regulators.

 

[Zimm]

Seen nothing on insta, bluesky, Reddit, nor my mastodon. If you're referring to twitter I haven't used that since it became a racist hellhole. Social media isn't a good way to learn about stuff like that; algorithms tune feeds to people differently.

This really isn't talked about much outside niche forums. And like I mentioned in my opening post, I passed over this site initially due to the intrusive adverts and it not being very disability friendly. I'm only here because someone commented on my Reddit post and once I had the specific search terms found this forum thread.

There's not a recall for the driveshaft in general; it's not a common enough vehicle to make the news when something happens; lift kits are an extremely common thing for off road vehicles; the owl kit isn't some fly by night six random letter Amazon name; it was sold to me by a dealer, which in my state has a certain level of requirement that a vehicle be generally safe to drive.

Without having seen something specific I wouldn't have an indicator to go looking at the lift kit with extra scrutiny.


Frankly, the accusation is insulting. You're posting on a niche forum with obvious knowledge already of the issue.

For example searching "grenadier driveshaft" on most platforms returns Zilch or doesn't stand out
For example
Bluesky: no results
Insta: in the top 50 results one thing actually seems to be related, but the video only slows an upgraded driveshaft spinning to music and in the fine print description does it mention supporting lifts over a certain size. This wouldn't have shown in my feed, and wouldn't have been an obvious indicator as the primary post content makes no mention.
Reddit: Reddit threads aren't very active on the subject unless something happens, and in the few months I've owned this vehicle it hasnt happened. There has been one other post I can find in search results (again, algorithm wanting "relevance") that mentions the driveshaft besides mine and the mention is buried in the comments and the explanation is "Google it."
Mastodon: fediverse, so it doesn't have content related to things like this unless I federated specifically with a car instance or follow someone who talks about it.

Feign offence fella, but the complaints about the lifts and this shaft have been going on for 18 months, here, fb and Reddit. Even if you are new to the truck and start searching lifts available, details will pop up. It’s unavoidable. It’s meme like at this point.

Hey, Lotsa guys are tossing the dice because they are wheeling and have an inkling as to what they are doing, and you went all “hold my beer” 4” lift springs….

So what all came with the owl 4” kit? I never saw a 4” kit on their site.

 

[ADVAW8S]

Exactly. So can a financially viable solution be found becomes the real question. I don’t know squat about this stuff so I’m interested to see what options may potentially be available.

Can't Cararro redesign the front axel? This gets to the cut and turn approach. The IA replaces axels when cv goes. New Grenadier have the solution straight from productions. Spreads out the financial hit.

 

[jvkintheusa]

Can't Cararro redesign the front axel? This gets to the cut and turn approach. The IA replaces axels when cv goes. New Grenadier have the solution straight from productions. Spreads out the financial hit.

I doubt that is ever going to happen. And changing the front axle only improves the angle at the front axle, not the output at the transfer case which, I believe, is the main culprit of the failures. Best would be to redesign the transfer case and put the output shaft lower.

 

[Zenbox]

I have been following this closely. I have to ask, am I being an irrational if I am having significant concerns about the vehicle and am seriously considering selling it? I have the small Eibach lift and 35" tires so I understand that I am increasing my chances for failure. I love the vehicle, but I just cannot have a vehicle that will leave me stranded. I just drove to a neighboring state to go hunting (which is something I regularly do) and was having second thoughts about driving my Grenadier. I have just over 27k on the vehicle and have not had any real issues. The lift was installed within the first couple of thousand miles. It is my daily driver and I use it for mild off-roading and as my hunting rig. I really want to keep it, but just can't get this issue out of my head. I am not sure what I would replace it with so that is an issue as well. The only vehicle I am really coming up with is a used G-wagon for a relatively similar price point and overall similarity. I would rather have the Grenadier, but this drive shaft issue is eating away at me. I can get over the lack of a remote start (would be really nice to have in my climate), the HVAC issues, and the other quirks. Some of them have actually become endearing to me. Is there hope of a resolution to this matter? Thank you in advance for your insights and hopefully talking me off this cliff!

 

[jvkintheusa]

I think at this point we all should meet at the Grenadier pub and find a solution over a couple of pints

 

[jvkintheusa]

I have been following this closely. I have to ask, am I being an irrational if I am having significant concerns about the vehicle and am seriously considering selling it? I have the small Eibach lift and 35" tires so I understand that I am increasing my chances for failure. I love the vehicle, but I just cannot have a vehicle that will leave me stranded. I just drove to a neighboring state to go hunting (which is something I regularly do) and was having second thoughts about driving my Grenadier. I have just over 27k on the vehicle and have not had any real issues. The lift was installed within the first couple of thousand miles. It is my daily driver and I use it for mild off-roading and as my hunting rig. I really want to keep it, but just can't get this issue out of my head. I am not sure what I would replace it with so that is an issue as well. The only vehicle I am really coming up with is a used G-wagon for a relatively similar price point and overall similarity. I would rather have the Grenadier, but this drive shaft issue is eating away at me. I can get over the lack of a remote start (would be really nice to have in my climate), the HVAC issues, and the other quirks. Some of them have actually become endearing to me. Is there hope of a resolution to this matter? Thank you in advance for your insights and hopefully talking me off this cliff!

I have with me two extra teraflex CV joints and the tools to replace one if I need to. That would not be much of a problem if I'm by myself but if I'm with my wife and vehicle would fail there will be hell to pay.

 

[Tenac]

I have been following this closely. I have to ask, am I being an irrational if I am having significant concerns about the vehicle and am seriously considering selling it? I have the small Eibach lift and 35" tires so I understand that I am increasing my chances for failure. I love the vehicle, but I just cannot have a vehicle that will leave me stranded. I just drove to a neighboring state to go hunting (which is something I regularly do) and was having second thoughts about driving my Grenadier. I have just over 27k on the vehicle and have not had any real issues. The lift was installed within the first couple of thousand miles. It is my daily driver and I use it for mild off-roading and as my hunting rig. I really want to keep it, but just can't get this issue out of my head. I am not sure what I would replace it with so that is an issue as well. The only vehicle I am really coming up with is a used G-wagon for a relatively similar price point and overall similarity. I would rather have the Grenadier, but this drive shaft issue is eating away at me. I can get over the lack of a remote start (would be really nice to have in my climate), the HVAC issues, and the other quirks. Some of them have actually become endearing to me. Is there hope of a resolution to this matter? Thank you in advance for your insights and hopefully talking me off this cliff!

I think your thoughts are totally logical and understandable. I'm same boat as you basically identical except my miles are lower but after 1200 miles lift and tires went on. Most of my driving is 80-85mph to the offroad entrance and then back end of day or overnight. lol I was wanting to plan a trip to Alaska from AZ but hesitant without diving into getting all the tools and replacement shafts. My thought here once it goes the truck just goes, if I catch before it goes then so be it I'll keep going until I have to make it someone else problem. lol Might trade first sign of issues.