Eibach Pro-Lift Kit ~ +30mm coil springs

[Logsplitter]

but from inoes do you have to buy the complete driveshaft or can they supply just the CV joint?

Complete drive shaft as I understand

 

[anand]

but from inoes do you have to buy the complete driveshaft or can they supply just the CV joint?

Entire driveshaft

 

[MJWUK]

I’ve had a look through the comments. Am I right in summarising that 1. It is inconclusive as to whether the Eibach lift leads to front driveshaft problems and 2. It will invalidate warranty (info for the implications in the Uk would be useful)?

 

[Cheshire cat]

I’ve had a look through the comments. Am I right in summarising that 1. It is inconclusive as to whether the Eibach lift leads to front driveshaft problems and 2. It will invalidate warranty (info for the implications in the Uk would be useful)?

Sounds like one to ask your local dealer.
I know that the son of Sir Jim had his Grenadier lifted by a UK company however I’m not sure he will be too concerned over warranty claims.
Looking at the number of owners that have embarked on a lift I’m not convinced it is a major issue. If you do have a problem here in the UK I doubt that Ineos will be there to help, but on the plus side, resulting problems don’t seem to be that expensive to fix.

 

[Commodore]

I’ve had a look through the comments. Am I right in summarising that 1. It is inconclusive as to whether the Eibach lift leads to front driveshaft problems and 2. It will invalidate warranty (info for the implications in the Uk would be useful)?

My front driveshaft was replaced under warranty but only because I’m on stock suspension. The dealer told me that they are denying warranty claim on lifted Grenadiers. Also said that they see a high failure rate of the CV on lifted trucks.

Nothing about the conversation sounds remotely inconclusive.

 

[GN4HIR]

In the US, Ineos is requiring the dealer to report on the suspension setup before they will approve a warranty replacement of the driveshaft. When mine failed, Ineos wanted to know if my vehicle was lifted, what size tires I installed, and did I change the stock shocks. I was on stock springs, 33" tires and stock shocks and after a week of just sitting at the dealer, Ineos approved a warranty replacement. I've heard of inquiries about how much time the vehicle spent off road, which to me seems ridiculous.

My dealer told me they had to keep the old driveshaft in case Ineos wanted it but if they hadn't claimed it in 6 months I could have it back. I was stoked to build a backup; however, after about 60 days my dealer told me Ineos requested the bad shaft be sent back to them.

In the US warranty (and perhaps ROW) there is an implied WARRANTY OF FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE which is somewhat ironic given how they marketed the vehicle as 'Built on Purpose'. My guess is someone will need to press the failing driveshaft issue with NHSTA or some similar regulatory body to get any broad based resolution.

I do love these disclaimers from the US Warranty language:

THE INEOS LIMITED WARRANTIES ONLY COVER DEFECTS IN MATERIALS OR WORKMANSHIP AS DESCRIBED HEREIN. THE INEOS LIMITED WARRANTIES DO NOT COVER DEFECTS IN DESIGN.

The New Vehicle Limited Warranty also does not cover the following: Damage, malfunctions, failures, deterioration, or corrosion caused or resulting from: Misuse, accident, theft, arson or intentional damage; Racing, track days, off-road trials, or other competition or events;

(That last exclusion "events" is so broad you could drive a.. well.. Grenadier through it)

 

[Logsplitter]

I’ve had a look through the comments. Am I right in summarising that 1. It is inconclusive as to whether the Eibach lift leads to front driveshaft problems and 2. It will invalidate warranty (info for the implications in the Uk would be useful)?

As @Cheshire cat said. I would check with your dealer. I seem to remember speaking to an agent who said that making a warranty claim for a failed prop with a lifted Grenadier would be problematic.

 

[Krabby]

The lift thing I get, but tire size doesn't affect the driveline angles, correct?

 

[parb]

I'm sure that everything and anything that can be used to limit liability is fair in the eyes of ineos.

I'm buying an extra rzeppa joint as my car will have the eibach 500lbs springs today and i can't avoid the 1.4" extra lift.

 

[anand]

The lift thing I get, but tire size doesn't affect the driveline angles, correct?

Tires don't alter driveline angles, however, from dealing with other brands in the past, it is an additional clue to the big picture.

If the vehicle has different size tires than stock, then it may be an indication to look more closely into whether or not it once had the shocks replaced, which could mean the axle was drooped down and damaged the boot/joint on the driveshaft or, in the case of lift springs moved the driveshaft boot out of the normal range of motion for at-speed driving. Along the same lines, especially for something like a driveshaft joint failure that is costing a company a lot of money to repair in warranty costs, it's not unheard of for notes to be referenced regarding posts made online about modifications to compare names, or VINs, or photos; especially with a niche and small volume manufacturer.

 

[Cheshire cat]

Larger tyres may also increase torsion values on rotational linkages, I suppose.

 

[parb]

Larger tyres may also increase torsion values on rotational linkages, I suppose.

Bonus points for the very correct usage of the word torsion in that sentence!

 

[Commodore]

The lift thing I get, but tire size doesn't affect the driveline angles, correct?

I have 255/85r17 tires. When the dealer replaced my driveshaft they said that Ineos asked about the tires but approved the warranty without issue because the suspension was stock. Perhaps they had the dealer look to see if the suspension had signs of being played with which of course it didn’t.

 

[Rayzar]

Are there alot more front CV's beginning to fail now around different countries. I find it hard after 1.5 million miles of testing something like the CV angles are an issue. How did this get passed or are the CVs that are failing is because of hwy speeds or something else that never got tested in development. Those that are doing lifts, is this so you can fit larger tyres? And is there a direct after-market replacement CV for the grenadier from teraflex?

 

[evomind]

Are there alot more front CV's beginning to fail now around different countries. I find it hard after 1.5 million miles of testing something like the CV angles are an issue. How did this get passed or are the CVs that are failing is because of hwy speeds or something else that never got tested in development. Those that are doing lifts, is this so you can fit larger tyres? And is there a direct after-market replacement CV for the grenadier from teraflex?

1.5M miles nothing...
The engineers goofed. It should not have been designed that way from the start.
A solid axle truck all the way around that you cant lift and may have trouble with the stock set up is just crazy.
If I fully understood that before buying I may have opted for a used G Wagon.
I dont even want a crazy lift, maybe just a leveling kit but I am not going to do it and deep six the warranty on the parts in question.
I am NOT holding my breath for a fix from Ineos.
Other than that I am very happy with my truck.

 

[LeeroyJ]

Are there alot more front CV's beginning to fail now around different countries. I find it hard after 1.5 million miles of testing something like the CV angles are an issue. How did this get passed or are the CVs that are failing is because of hwy speeds or something else that never got tested in development. Those that are doing lifts, is this so you can fit larger tyres? And is there a direct after-market replacement CV for the grenadier from teraflex?

When they are doing the pre-production vehicles (which are used for long distance testing) those vehicles often have pre-production parts on them from suppliers. In this case, whatever company supplies the CV, may have provided a more robust pre-production CV than what finally made it into production.

I've got more than 20,000 miles with a lift and 315's and not had a problem. A significant portion of the post lift miles have been offroad.

I wonder if there is a correlation between VIN numbers (how old the Grenadier is) and failures? Did Ineos start receiving weaker CV's at some point, or different rubber compounds? My VIN ends in 6737.

 

[terdrocket]

When they are doing the pre-production vehicles (which are used for long distance testing) those vehicles often have pre-production parts on them from suppliers. In this case, whatever company supplies the CV, may have provided a more robust pre-production CV than what finally made it into production.

I've got more than 20,000 miles with a lift and 315's and not had a problem. A significant portion of the post lift miles have been offroad.

I wonder if there is a correlation between VIN numbers (how old the Grenadier is) and failures? Did Ineos start receiving weaker CV's at some point, or different rubber compounds? My VIN ends in 6737.

My VIN is 6492. almost 26k with 99.9% of that time lifted on 35's.
I just replace my CV's last week after a tear in the transfer case boot.
Most of my miles have been high speed on road.

 

[parb]

And is there a direct after-market replacement CV for the grenadier from teraflex?

Yes there is a high angle rzeppa joint from Terra flex that bolts in. I got one as a spare part in case mine bombs since I have the eibach HD springs on and I'm certain I'm not going to get warranty

 

[terdrocket]

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[LeeroyJ]

My VIN is 6492. almost 26k with 99.9% of that time lifted on 35's.
I just replace my CV's last week after a tear in the transfer case boot.
Most of my miles have been high speed on road.

Did you replace yours with Ineos's CV or with the Terraflex, or something else?