UK Military Land Rover replacement

[Baron von Teuchter]

View: https://youtu.be/x1OWfRAj1Qg?si=RW8B5nIdllhdjvjw


This would be a real coup for Ineos ~7000x Quartermasters?

Interesting to see the Babcock branded Landcruisers

 

[Jeremy996]

I'd be astonished if the Army bought Grenadiers, for one thing BMW won't sell engines to any military.

 

[Baron von Teuchter]

Oh really? Is that some institutional historical guilt for past transgressions (80 years ago?)

 

[Jeremy996]

Oh really? Is that some institutional historical guilt for past transgressions (80 years ago?)

Yes - long standing company policy. I can think of several workarounds, from licence building to sourcing another engine, but would anyone be bothered enough?

 

[Baron von Teuchter]

Hmmm interesting.

Depends on lots of things I suppose. I can imagine MOD wanting to keep supply chain within NATO.

 

[Logsplitter]

The British military already have them for non combat roles. A trial I guess

 

[Baron von Teuchter]

The British military already have them for non combat roles. A trial I guess

Really?

 

[Logsplitter]

So I understand but via a leasing company

 

[Baron von Teuchter]

Hmmmm, interesting.

Huge vote of confidence in the brand to see them in Matt olive…

 

[Logsplitter]

 

[OkGo]

I wonder how their front drive shaft is holding up

 

[Eric]

Oh really? Is that some institutional historical guilt for past transgressions (80 years ago?)

Yep

 

[Baron von Teuchter]

I wonder how their front drive shaft is holding up

Genuine question. Of say 30,000 units built what’s the failure rate (amongst unmodified vehicles)?

I got the impression it was rare on standard vehicles (usual rules apply - may be talking bollocks etc).

 

[Jeremy996]

The Army talk about "White Fleet" and "Green Fleet"; the Land Rovers are due to be cast from the green fleet, so were actually operated in hostile areas. Doctrine has changed a bit since the last big purchase and there was a move to put soldiers into more hardened transport, so I struggle to see how soft skinned vehicles fit in the current army Green fleet.

White fleet could be anything and were usually on multi-year lease, cost being the biggest driver

 

[Max]

so I struggle to see how soft skinned vehicles fit in the current army Green fleet.

Off to the officer's mess...pronto!


They did have different colours here in OZ for example, medical transport/ambulance.
The Gren can take a hit from a land mine but pretty soft from above where the big red cross is positioned.

 

[OkGo]

Genuine question. Of say 30,000 units built what’s the failure rate (amongst unmodified vehicles)?

I got the impression it was rare on standard vehicles (usual rules apply - may be talking bollocks etc).

Of the five Grenadier owners I know personally, two have had their front shaft fail. None are lifted.

If there was to be a fleet of a largeish number, used similarly, it would be interesting to see fail rate.

 

[Tazzieman]

They did have different colours here in OZ for example, medical transport/ambulance.
The Gren can take a hit from a land mine but pretty soft from above where the big red cross is positioned.

If you go overboard with Dynamat you won't here that little loaded drone landing on top.

 

[NQ94]

The Army talk about "White Fleet" and "Green Fleet"; the Land Rovers are due to be cast from the green fleet, so were actually operated in hostile areas. Doctrine has changed a bit since the last big purchase and there was a move to put soldiers into more hardened transport, so I struggle to see how soft skinned vehicles fit in the current army Green fleet.

White fleet could be anything and were usually on multi-year lease, cost being the biggest driver

There has been discussions all over the world about the need for soft skinned vehicles in green fleets. Some of the big militaries have pointed out the need and disadvantages and changed some doctrine accordingly in regard to soft skin vehicle use in combat. Some of the main advantages discussed have come from the US, Europe and some Middle East militaries is soft skin vehicles are lighter, faster, more stable, better off road making there own tracks, easier to conceal, easier to egress, easier to recover without needing extra specialised equipment or people, cheaper to replace and field maintain if similar to commercially available varients and more can be deployed from smaller aircraft to drop soldiers less fatigued near the combat zones. There still seems to be a need for a standard type 4x4 in combat fleets.
The current achillies heel for every type of military vehicle seems to be drone protection.