So, knowing what you know, would you buy it again?

[theox]

You are accurate.

I do believe a few things could have been done a bit better in terms of going old school but they don't bother me.

One question I would love to get a non biased answer to from the forum is this. If the Grenadier had been built exactly how it exists today with or without the quirks but it looked like a Cyber Truck or maybe even just a Ford Escape would you have still bought it? Let's start that poll.

Cybertruck - Yes
Ford Escape - Yes
Pontiac Aztek - Maybe
Plymouth Prowler - No
PT Cruiser - No
Nissan Cube - No

 

[Dokatd]

Cybertruck - Yes
Ford Escape - Yes
Pontiac Aztek - Maybe
Plymouth Prowler - No
PT Cruiser - No
Nissan Cube - No

Aztek made me laugh out loud. That doesn't happen often.

 

[Grandtour_grenadier]

Yes mine will be three years old in December, and I’ve no regrets whatsoever

 

[cyson]

You are accurate.

I do believe a few things could have been done a bit better in terms of going old school but they don't bother me.

One question I would love to get a non biased answer to from the forum is this. If the Grenadier had been built exactly how it exists today with or without the quirks but it looked like a Cyber Truck or maybe even just a Ford Escape would you have still bought it? Let's start that poll.

I'm guessing if a Cyber Truck looked like a Grenadier, I'd probably have one.

I'm with you though, the styling is a big factor in all of this. If we were just after utility then there are definitely many options. Friend of mine recently asked me: Why didn't you just get a Rubicon? For what i do with the vehicle, I'm actually not sure I have a great answer to that! But it's been fun owning the Gren.

 

[Dokatd]

I'm guessing if a Cyber Truck looked like a Grenadier, I'd probably have one.

I'm with you though, the styling is a big factor in all of this. If we were just after utility then there are definitely many options. Friend of mine recently asked me: Why didn't you just get a Rubicon? For what i do with the vehicle, I'm actually not sure I have a great answer to that! But it's been fun owning the Gren.

1,000,000% agreed

 

[theox]

I'm guessing if a Cyber Truck looked like a Grenadier, I'd probably have one.

I'm with you though, the styling is a big factor in all of this. If we were just after utility then there are definitely many options. Friend of mine recently asked me: Why didn't you just get a Rubicon? For what i do with the vehicle, I'm actually not sure I have a great answer to that! But it's been fun owning the Gren.

I traded a Rubicon for the Grenadier. Had Wranglers for over a decade, but just not big enough for kiddo and two large dogs and towing the camper with it was a pain. Grenadier allows me to retain most of the off-roading ability but also accommodate the family dinosaurs and tow more than a couple of sandwiches.

 

[GreenCar]

That is a tough question. Ask me on one day of the week and it would be an emphatic yes. Ask me again on a different day, and it would be no.

Structurally superb. Not much else like it. Over-engineered for use in the UK, and I like that. However, little niggles can get to you on certain days. For example, -6c and the car isn't blowing any heat to the footwell on auto. Change it to manual to warm your legs up, and the screen starts misting up. Put it back on auto, and it starts blowing cold air into the middle of the windscreen. Enough to make it mist up and freeze it on the outside, and a crack to appear. I currently have an annoying rattle in the back when going over bumps. I cannot identify the source. It sounds like the door is moving on the latch but there is no movement in the latch or the door. If I push the driver's chair back as far as it can go, it squeaks. If I am one notch or more in, no squeak. I have to drive one notch in as the squeak is off-putting but it pushes me closer to the footwell lump.

Some of it is dealer frustration. e.g. HVAC condensation dripping despite the dealer saying they put the sleeve on it but it still drips (they put it on the nearest pipe, but the dripping comes from a pipe further back). Or the seals on the door delaminating and they were told they were done, only to get back home to find they were not. Rear parking sensors that didn't come on properly or would come on when nothing was behind me. I was told they were fixed but now they don't seem to take into account that you have a spare wheel on the back. My issue with a clicking HVAC when running hot under load was sent to Ineos earlier in the year but staff changes at the dealer means it was forgotten, and apparently, Ineos's system only deals with named people. When those people leave, no-one else can see what was going on. So, the whole thing needs to be sent again.

I want a quartermaster but when I was at the dealer earlier in the year for the failed heating fix, it turned out one of the dealer's test QMs had the same fault.
When I was at the dealer last week, someone with a MY23 was in, and I was listening to their list of issues, which was like forum bingo on known problems. I felt bad that I only had 4 or so issues compared to the 20-odd he had.

I would probably be more inclined to wait until they sort the niggles out with some quality control before buying another

That rattle in the back could be the bottle jack. I has an annoying metallic rattle and went through everything to find it - turns out it was that, not tight enough against the holder.

For the question in the thread: yes, definitely would buy another.

 

[RY-Journeyman]

This is a typical fan boy response and there is no reasoning with a fan boy.

It’s a human response. Fanboys, grumpy drawers, angry white men, karens, all pigeon-hole / stereotype people into categories - usually to easier identify to be picked on. Humanity would function better without labels, as would this forum.

 

[evomind]

It’s a human response. Fanboys, grumpy drawers, angry white men, karens, all pigeon-hole / stereotype people into categories - usually to easier identify to be picked on. Humanity would function better without labels, as would this forum.

I think your reaction is a bit extreme.
Is extreme a label or is it descriptive? Can any adjective be a label?
Or does it depend on the point of view you support?
IDK

 

[Rupert]

And back to our originally sponsored programming…..Would you still buy a Gren today knowing what you know now?

 

[hightechcoonass]

Traded mine in for a Tacoma, and man, do I miss driving my Grenadier! When we go to church, we take my wife's car and she asks, "You don't want to go in your new truck?" I say, "Not anymore, I don't have my Grenadier!
It was fun to drive, but the Taco is boring.
One day I will buy another for sure!

Three things I don't miss - the dinging, not being able to reset service reminders, and not having a dip stick to check the oil.

 

[Slov]

I'm vocal because as you eluded we need balance here. And there are far more FanBois than realists here which makes since. I wouldn't give a rats ass about the money side, this is one of now more than 15 vehicles I own and operate for personal use.

What you aren't understanding is that the drive shaft issue is more than that. It's a whole host of issues as a result of a complete dosing failure on Ineos part. Poor steering and general handling are caused by the drive shaft issue. Or is it the other way around, who knows, but what is clear is that the front axle was not designed well at all resulting in a huge critical portion of the truck being severely compromised.

I don't really have HVAC issues, my software has not been updated and works ok, I don't seem to have the droneing sound in the rear trunk area. Etc etc, my truck has only been to Ineos for some simple stuff. There have been a couple things they "Couldn't Duplicate" but again my truck has only been back to dealer maybe twice since I bought it almost 2yrs ago.

What does get me a bit is the idea some have that this could be the next "Best 4x4 By Far". It's just simply not, it's average. If everyone was honest with themselves they would admit they bought it because it looks better/cooler than the rest of today's modern options. Ineos has epically failed to bring to market what they claimed in the beginning and it's unfortunate. They could have even faked it a bit better like they did with the physical key.

I have my days with the Grenadier that I love it and days I wish I had a more convenient cliff to drive it off, but I have made mine vastly better than it ever was stock and I have a few more changes to make. But most of all I realize is serious short comings and I try to keep others honest about them.

In your specific case there are about a dozen other options that would do the job better or the same for less money or at least more value. I felt it was right to have you question yourself a bit so at minimum you would know what you're getting into. The Grenadier is not just a Bronco that had a few recalls. It's a Bronco with a recall or two from a brand new company that's trying to sort out how to make, sell and service a vehicles. Ineos is on shaky ground, Ford is not. Your dream truck could end up being a nightmare if Ineos fails to launch. If you have unlimited funds to buy the Ineos then have at it, but if you are pushing your limits to fulfill a dream then you might pause and see what model year 2027 brings. It could be amazing or it could be just a dream and Ineos doesn't even make it.

That’s definitely fair. It’s not that I’m not understanding due to pure bias. I’m actually fairly new to 4x4 and body on frame over landing vehicles in general. I have no problem saying that. I am just trying to ask the right questions to seek to understand. I’m playing devils advocate to see how much of this is hysteria or hype. It’s nothing against you. You’ve clearly owned a ton of vehicles and done a lot of the years.

The Bronco… I just don’t like the way it looks and it being a Ford. I haven’t really been impressed with their quality besides their Raptor line of trucks.

Maybe I’m more of a fanboy of the Grenadier looks than I realize? Not sure. I love the looks, won’t deny that one bit.

Heck, the older G-Wagons look awesome as a very similar spec vehicle for a cheaper price that I’d actually use off road, but everyone and their soccer mom has one in Scottsdale. The G63 gen I mean. The aftermarket doesn’t seem as prevalent either. Some issues due to lack of rear cargo room steer me away even if the trunk is big like the Grenadier. It’s shorter from what I understand.

At this point, how many vehicles can a handle off road at a decently capable level? You said a Subaru Forester can be quite capable. At what point are we all buying a vehicle like the Grenadier for looks compared to a simple 4x4 hilux or ranger that would technically get the job done for a fraction of the cost?

 

[CRH]

Traded mine in for a Tacoma, and man, do I miss driving my Grenadier! When we go to church, we take my wife's car and she asks, "You don't want to go in your new truck?" I say, "Not anymore, I don't have my Grenadier!
It was fun to drive, but the Taco is boring.
One day I will buy another for sure!

Three things I don't miss - the dinging, not being able to reset service reminders, and not having a dip stick to check the oil.

There is a dipstick, and i have used mine when the electronic one kept telling me it needed more oil on the dealers car park when I picked it up after a service. They didn't even know there was one!
Took a little drive for the computer to realise that it was at correct level

 

[CRH]

That’s definitely fair. It’s not that I’m not understanding due to pure bias. I’m actually fairly new to 4x4 and body on frame over landing vehicles in general. I have no problem saying that. I am just trying to ask the right questions to seek to understand. I’m playing devils advocate to see how much of this is hysteria or hype. It’s nothing against you. You’ve clearly owned a ton of vehicles and done a lot of the years.

The Bronco… I just don’t like the way it looks and it being a Ford. I haven’t really been impressed with their quality besides their Raptor line of trucks.

Maybe I’m more of a fanboy of the Grenadier looks than I realize? Not sure. I love the looks, won’t deny that one bit.

Heck, the older G-Wagons look awesome as a very similar spec vehicle for a cheaper price that I’d actually use off road, but everyone and their soccer mom has one in Scottsdale. The G63 gen I mean. The aftermarket doesn’t seem as prevalent either. Some issues due to lack of rear cargo room steer me away even if the trunk is big like the Grenadier. It’s shorter from what I understand.

At this point, how many vehicles can a handle off road at a decently capable level? You said a Subaru Forester can be quite capable. At what point are we all buying a vehicle like the Grenadier for looks compared to a simple 4x4 hilux or ranger that would technically get the job done for a fraction of the cost?

I bought for the perception that it would last and we are going all electric too early in UK and I wanted something to last. At time of buying it was between this and tje previous UK Landcruiser (Prado). I preferred the look of the Grenadier and the more utilitarian interior with lots of flat places where stuff can stand when stationary, or even moving in straight line temporarily

 

[OkGo]

There is a dipstick, and i have used mine when the electronic one kept telling me it needed more oil on the dealers car park when I picked it up after a service. They didn't even know there was one!
Took a little drive for the computer to realise that it was at correct level

Only on the diesel ? The petrol one seems to have none.

 

[Zimm]

I'd suggest there are a fair number of new vehicles that you can drive around the world in. That's not specifically a very demanding challenge these days. And a stock Grenadier is not particularly capable due to clearance. I bet a well equipped Subaru could get the job done in most situations and god I hate Subarus so that statement kills me.

I used to see a ton of gen 1 rav4’s in the amazon. Mercedes w123 sedans. The clearance is fine. Where the Gren dropped the ball in world traveling SUV, is they worried too much about departure angle, and it should be 4-6” longer for more Utility and less Sport. The extra space would have made for a larger flatter fuel tank too.

 

[Zimm]

It’s a human response. Fanboys, grumpy drawers, angry white men, karens, all pigeon-hole / stereotype people into categories - usually to easier identify to be picked on. Humanity would function better without labels, as would this forum.

Actually, humanity wouldnt function at a ll without labels. It’s how our brain categorizes things for survival. Not always correct mind you, and sometimes it’s a source of taking 10 steps forward and 9 back, but it clearly beats floating around unable to recognize, categorize, and label, like an amoeba.

 

[Shoogs]

I'd suggest there are a fair number of new vehicles that you can drive around the world in. That's not specifically a very demanding challenge these days. And a stock Grenadier is not particularly capable due to clearance. I bet a well equipped Subaru could get the job done in most situations and god I hate Subarus so that statement kills me.

I am not sure about new, but after 20 odd years wandering around Africa in either a Landrover or Landcruiser, no matter where I have been and incredibly remote… a 20 year old Toyota Corolla will inevitably trundle past with 16 people, 7/8 goats, 3t of luggage and many smiles… don’t let anyone tell you you need all the bells and whistles or indeed diesel…

 

[OkGo]

I am not sure about new, but after 20 odd years wandering around Africa in either a Landrover or Landcruiser, no matter where I have been and incredibly remote… a 20 year old Toyota Corolla will inevitably trundle past with 16 people, 7/8 goats, 3t of luggage and many smiles… don’t let anyone tell you you need all the bells and whistles or indeed diesel…

+ 100. Can relate.

This is the part that really annoys me. The Grenadier set out to be something that would deliver a reliable platform to do these trips in, and failed. And it's trying so hard that it can't address the daily drive in and around town either.

Yes, there is the one chap who will drive to the moon and back, but for the vast majority - the Grenadier failed to address the market they set out to deliver into.

 

[Dokatd]

You should go check out the rear of a Grenadier, it's actually no bigger than a G500. It's a bit frustrating for me, I hoped the Grenadier would provide me a tone more room. But sadly it doesn't. I am in an industry that requires use of ladders, and I often carry an 18' folding ladder. This requires folding back seats down. Sadly one of my salesmen has an older Prius that the same ladder fits in better than the Grenadier. This was a serious blow The same ladder fits almost identically in my G500 as the Grenadier. Ineos shorted us a fair bit over the length for a real LR 110 wagon.

All in all the Grenadier shares way more with the Gwagon than just some cosmetic cues.