Side lights

[Blackwolf]

One thing that is missing from the online manuals to which some of us are now lucky enough to have access is any sort of electrical manual or schematics. Whilst the lights are clearly software controlled I don't know if they are CANbus or similar, so intelligent lights switched at the light, or if ultimately they are illuminated by having a 12V feed turned on. I think the tail lights are the latter but I'm not certain.

If they are switched on by the application of 12V it should be possible to add a traditional switch.

Anyone know how the lights actually work?

 

[Eric]

One thing that is missing from the online manuals to which some of us are now lucky enough to have access is any sort of electrical manual or schematics. Whilst the lights are clearly software controlled I don't know if they are CANbus or similar, so intelligent lights switched at the light, or if ultimately they are illuminated by having a 12V feed turned on. I think the tail lights are the latter but I'm not certain.

If they are switched on by the application of 12V it should be possible to add a traditional switch.

Anyone know how the lights actually work?

I thought @AWo said they weren't CANBUS.
@AWo help needed please

 

[CountyV8]

Here we go again.
"
Hi Jon,

In response to your inquiry, I have received feedback from the technical team, which has stated below:



" it's not an operating function on the grenadier but we do comply"





Please do not hesitate to contact us if you need any further assistance.

Thanks, "

 

[CountyV8]

Just a thought would it pass a VOSA test.

 

[landmannnn]

My response from IA appears to be different again: They seem to be acknowledging that there is a compliance issue. If I have read it correctly.

Based on the information we have just gathered, it appears to be a compliance issue with section 24(1)(b) of the Motor Vehicle Lighting Regulations, 1989 (as amended), and not with clause 6.12.7 of document E/ECE/324/Rev.1/Add.47/Rev.9.

We sincerely appreciate your feedback, which greatly contributes to the improvement of our services and products, and we have duly noted it.

In the meantime, we would like to inform you that our dealerships are working closely with our service representatives and the regional sales manager.

We would therefore appreciate it if you could discuss this matter with your dealership so that they are fully informed and can provide you with an explanation and the necessary steps to take. We are confident that your dealer will then be willing to discuss this with the after-sales service department, which will then pass the information on to the technical team. This will undoubtedly allow the regulatory compliance teams to investigate the issue, if any, and resolve any technical difficulties.

 

[Owen1066]

Hi, new to the forum so just catching up with this important night time visibility issue.

I've noticed some references in this thread to using Hazard lights instead when parked in the dark, on occasion with mine (Diesel 2023), once out of vehicle and locked, the Hazard lights can also turn off after a couple of minutes leaving the vehicle completely in the dark. They then re-start to flash once the engine is ignition is turned on again.

I did wonder if the vehicle looks at it's battery health on the day and then decides to turn them off if looking a bit low?

Anyway, just thought i'd make people aware that leaving your Hazard lights on and locking vehicle does not guarantee they will still be flashing when you return, they are not wired independently and car's brain still has control over them!

 

[CRH]

My response from IA appears to be different again: They seem to be acknowledging that there is a compliance issue. If I have read it correctly.

Based on the information we have just gathered, it appears to be a compliance issue with section 24(1)(b) of the Motor Vehicle Lighting Regulations, 1989 (as amended), and not with clause 6.12.7 of document E/ECE/324/Rev.1/Add.47/Rev.9.

We sincerely appreciate your feedback, which greatly contributes to the improvement of our services and products, and we have duly noted it.

In the meantime, we would like to inform you that our dealerships are working closely with our service representatives and the regional sales manager.

We would therefore appreciate it if you could discuss this matter with your dealership so that they are fully informed and can provide you with an explanation and the necessary steps to take. We are confident that your dealer will then be willing to discuss this with the after-sales service department, which will then pass the information on to the technical team. This will undoubtedly allow the regulatory compliance teams to investigate the issue, if any, and resolve any technical difficulties.

Sounds like the constant questioning is having an effect. Odd that we have to go through the dealers to get actions, obviously the chain of comand at customer services just refers them and therefore us to the nearest dealer

 

[CountyV8]

Is IA the opposite of AI ?

 

[Blackwolf]

Hi, new to the forum so just catching up with this important night time visibility issue.

I've noticed some references in this thread to using Hazard lights instead when parked in the dark, on occasion with mine (Diesel 2023), once out of vehicle and locked, the Hazard lights can also turn off after a couple of minutes leaving the vehicle completely in the dark. They then re-start to flash once the engine is ignition is turned on again.

I did wonder if the vehicle looks at it's battery health on the day and then decides to turn them off if looking a bit low?

Anyway, just thought i'd make people aware that leaving your Hazard lights on and locking vehicle does not guarantee they will still be flashing when you return, they are not wired independently and car's brain still has control over them!

This is disturbing, I have to admit that I haven't tried leaving my hazards on but will do so to see what happens. It is possible that the hazards are also controlled by the BCU and shut down when the BCU powers down (your estimate of a couple of minutes would be consistent with this) in which case the problem is worse that we thought and I would suggest that IA will have to take some action.

 

[CRH]

Is IA the opposite of AI ?

Isn't that what we wanted

 

[Blackwolf]

My response from IA appears to be different again: They seem to be acknowledging that there is a compliance issue. If I have read it correctly.

Based on the information we have just gathered, it appears to be a compliance issue with section 24(1)(b) of the Motor Vehicle Lighting Regulations, 1989 (as amended), and not with clause 6.12.7 of document E/ECE/324/Rev.1/Add.47/Rev.9.

We sincerely appreciate your feedback, which greatly contributes to the improvement of our services and products, and we have duly noted it.

In the meantime, we would like to inform you that our dealerships are working closely with our service representatives and the regional sales manager.

We would therefore appreciate it if you could discuss this matter with your dealership so that they are fully informed and can provide you with an explanation and the necessary steps to take. We are confident that your dealer will then be willing to discuss this with the after-sales service department, which will then pass the information on to the technical team. This will undoubtedly allow the regulatory compliance teams to investigate the issue, if any, and resolve any technical difficulties.

This is the first time that there has been any acknowledgement from IA that there may be a compliance issue, so quite a result! Keep up the pressure.

Who is your dealer, if I might ask?

 

[landmannnn]

This is the first time that there has been any acknowledgement from IA that there may be a compliance issue, so quite a result! Keep up the pressure.

Who is your dealer, if I might ask?

I have emailed the after sales manager at Grange Midlands. I also pointed out that this may be an MOT failure (or advisory)

 

[landmannnn]

I would still prefer it if the technical team could spend their time on providing an alternative service reset capability.