Power steering noise

[Eric.S.]

Hello everyone I was finally able to pick up my grenadier yesterday Unfortunately, I noticed at home that my power steering makes a strange noise. I think it's not a normal noise, or? The filling level in the container was at maximum with the engine warm but switched off. The German instructions do not say exactly in which condition the oil should be checked. Does anyone have an idea? I tried to post a video but I always see the file is too big (7mb)
Thank you

 

[Shopkeep]

I'm not complaining about pump noise much, but it is damn loud and noticeable. To the point I have to shut off the truck in some situations. One of those is going through a drive thru. No steering, just sitting there idling. It's been that way as best I can recall since I picked it up. Again, not a huge issue for me, but stupid regardless.

It has to be some poorly machined passage way or fittings. I would suggest maybe an undersized port or something, but that wouldn't explain why some report them to be quiet. So it has to be a QC issue.

I think you are closer to the root cause of the issue than many, there may be some greater variability in the way the hoses or fittings are installed (different angles, tigher radius bends?) on LHD versions that differs from RHD versions. There may also a usage or lifestyle variance in the US customer base that makes them far more aware of the noise, it could be something as trivial as driving more often with the windows down, your higher usage of things like drive through and drive in services, different expectations of noise levels from this type of vehicle (especially due to a lack of noisier diesel engines used in passenger vehicles), plus a generally greater concern for the opinions of others (like spouses and associates). Not making any kind of judgement here, just observing the reality of cultural and lifestyle differences.

 

[mji111]

I think you are closer to the root cause of the issue than many, there may be some greater variability in the way the hoses or fittings are installed (different angles, tigher radius bends?) on LHD versions that differs from RHD versions. There may also a usage or lifestyle variance in the US customer base that makes them far more aware of the noise, it could be something as trivial as driving more often with the windows down, your higher usage of things like drive through and drive in services, different expectations of noise levels from this type of vehicle (especially due to a lack of noisier diesel engines used in passenger vehicles), plus a generally greater concern for the opinions of others (like spouses and associates). Not making any kind of judgement here, just observing the reality of cultural and lifestyle differences.

All good points. I went to RDS last week for the software update and that was an easy 1 hour fix. As I was taking the keys from the service manager I asked him to listen to the power steering pump whine. We walked over to the vehicle, I started it up and literally touched the steering wheel. High pitched squeal immediately ensued. I said to him “that is kind of loud, don’t you think.’” His response was “no, it is very loud.” However, INEOS won’t replace it under warranty for the noise because it works, and it does. I think that is BS, but don’t have much recourse since everything else about my vehicle is good and I am keeping it. I am still interested in a legitimate fix if there is one, just like the 24.1 software update that worked for me.

 

[abbeyroad]

Update:

My dealer in LA quoted me $3K for just the power steering pump. I am going to take up their offer to measure the decibels and if it's >90, I guess they'll request a warranty replacement? Don't know yet.

Is there anything the forum can do to get IA's eyeballs on this thread with 25,000+ views? I'm still a bit flabbergasted at the preponderance of evidence submitted by unhappy first owner customers only to be shown the door.

Serious bad taste in my mouth from the truck and the company because it's a few fair fixes from greatness.

 

[[ Adam ]]

My dealer in LA quoted me $3K for just the power steering pump. I am going to take up their offer to measure the decibels and if it's >90, I guess they'll request a warranty replacement? Don't know yet.

90 db as measured inside your vehicle? That would be pretty loud. I recorded this today with my phone sitting in the engine bay, hood up. Full lock left to right several times. Noticeable, but barely audible above engine/fan noise.

View: https://youtube.com/shorts/tnle5lJ6u1M

 

[Shopkeep]

90 db as measured inside your vehicle? That would be pretty loud. I recorded this today with my phone sitting in the engine bay, hood up. Full lock left to right several times. Noticeable, but barely audible above engine/fan noise.

View: https://youtube.com/shorts/tnle5lJ6u1M

Sounds the same as my pump, there if you go looking/listening for it but blends into the background if you are not.

 

[abbeyroad]

3k? Is that related to the PSC modified pump for the JLU?

Here's the clip from my service rep:

"There is VIN break, so the part number changes from the earlier range vehicle to the later range vehicles. The part number for your vehicle would be the same as what is already in the vehicle. The cost of the pump itself is $3070.00."

 

[Dlucky]

All good points. I went to RDS last week for the software update and that was an easy 1 hour fix. As I was taking the keys from the service manager I asked him to listen to the power steering pump whine. We walked over to the vehicle, I started it up and literally touched the steering wheel. High pitched squeal immediately ensued. I said to him “that is kind of loud, don’t you think.’” His response was “no, it is very loud.” However, INEOS won’t replace it under warranty for the noise because it works, and it does. I think that is BS, but don’t have much recourse since everything else about my vehicle is good and I am keeping it. I am still interested in a legitimate fix if there is one, just like the 24.1 software update that worked for me.

Ridiculous. Come on Ineos.

 

[Cruisey73]

I was wondering if anyone here has installed an aftermarket Steering Damper/Stabiliser (King, Fox, Bilstein etc). As they are meant to be softer than the stock one does this mean there is less load on the Steering Pump and therefore less noise?? Just a thought...

The squeal drives me crazy when the window is open

 

[beefs]

I was wondering if anyone here has installed an aftermarket Steering Damper/Stabiliser (King, Fox, Bilstein etc). As they are meant to be softer than the stock one does this mean there is less load on the Steering Pump and therefore less noise?? Just a thought...

The squeal drives me crazy when the window is open

Mine starts squealing as soon as you touch the steering wheel - like move it 1cm and it starts so i'm not sure the steering damper would impact this.

 

[Cruisey73]

Mine starts squealing as soon as you touch the steering wheel - like move it 1cm and it starts so i'm not sure the steering damper would impact this.

Same, probably right. Might wrap some soundproofing around it to see how that goes.

 

[MileHigh]

Here's the clip from my service rep:

"There is VIN break, so the part number changes from the earlier range vehicle to the later range vehicles. The part number for your vehicle would be the same as what is already in the vehicle. The cost of the pump itself is $3070.00."

The OEM pump should be under a grand. If that is the price that they are charging- and who knows what for instal, this doesn’t bode well for long term ownership.

 

[abbeyroad]

The OEM pump should be under a grand. If that is the price that they are charging- and who knows what for instal, this doesn’t bode well for long term ownership.

Is there an online source that lists IG parts MSRP? $3K sounds insanely steep for a steering pump. If it is in fact ~$1K list, a 300% mark up is straight up thievery imho.

 

[Shopkeep]

I was wondering if anyone here has installed an aftermarket Steering Damper/Stabiliser (King, Fox, Bilstein etc). As they are meant to be softer than the stock one does this mean there is less load on the Steering Pump and therefore less noise?? Just a thought...

The squeal drives me crazy when the window is open

I changed the damper to one from Ironman 4X4 which is very light and did not really notice a difference in the noise levels, but I did not really have an issue with the noise level before hand. It is there if I listen for it, but not at an annoying level.

 

[Dokatd]

Just for some context guys, the IG pump is fully electric. The pump generally only runs on demand. Thats why it goes quiet when you aren't touching the steering. The pump is vastly more complex than an old school e fine driven pump. That is why the pumps are so expensive. This does not fit the original spirit of the truck. But it was inevitably required to comply to regs where the engine shut off system was required. That way the pump could operate when the engine was off.

It's very stupid. I would be very happy to swap to an engine driven pump if someone developed one.

 

[NQ94]

Just for some context guys, the IG pump is fully electric. The pump generally only runs on demand. Thats why it goes quiet when you aren't touching the steering. The pump is vastly more complex than an old school e fine driven pump. That is why the pumps are so expensive. This does not fit the original spirit of the truck. But it was inevitably required to comply to regs where the engine shut off system was required. That way the pump could operate when the engine was off.

It's very stupid. I would be very happy to swap to an engine driven pump if someone developed one.

The pump is as the same as Jeep Wrangler. Mopar parts had new Jeep ones discounted from $2k to around $1200 and there are plenty of near new second hand ones well under $1k. I am expecting Ineos parts to be quite expensive once they're out of warranty.

 

[Cruisey73]

I hear it's the same part as what Jeep use. Strange how new Jeep's emit a faint pump whine when the squeal from the Ineos is significant. It is on mine at least. I wonder why the difference?

 

[Krabby]

I hear it's the same part as what Jeep use. Strange how new Jeep's emit a faint pump whine when the squeal from the Ineos is significant. It is on mine at least. I wonder why the difference?

While quieter, the whine from my brother's and nephew's 2025 Wranglers is noticeable and equally annoying.