Not Starting, engine turning over

[Gren17]

Similar issue with my Trialmaster, gave it 10 minutes, tried again and nothing. The car has been at the dealership for 6 days now and they seem to not know how to fix it. Got my car two weeks ago and its really frustrating. Anyone knows if somebody had the same issue?

 

[dime80]

Ok update, switched off and locked up, walked away from vehicle for approx 10mins, came back and it started perfectly.
Look I love this car but the uncertainties with the vehicle presently are raising deep concerns for us for the purpose it is intended for, ie reliable getting us to and from remote locations safely.
I sincerely hope these issues can be resolved for good by the dealership.

Hi cam shaft. This happened to me on Friday. Sounds exactly the same situation. Same process got us going again.
Has this happened again for you?
Was the issue diagnosed?
I’ve reached 6000k’s on the clock and diesel.

 

[Skrambo]

Similar issue with my Trialmaster, gave it 10 minutes, tried again and nothing. The car has been at the dealership for 6 days now and they seem to not know how to fix it. Got my car two weeks ago and its really frustrating. Anyone knows if somebody had the same issue

This happened to me and they found an issue with the alarm siren module. It was replaced and all seems good so far.

 

[Tinerfeño]

Regardless of the type of start signal - either switching a relay/solenoid or pinging the ecu - a physical key doesn't require a battery to operate vs. a fob which does. It's just one less gizmo to fail after rough treatment. Out on the water, deep in the woods, or down on the farm - a key will continue to function for decades. Plus they're cheap to duplicate or replace. I think it fits with the original ethos.

An additionally you don't need electric steering lock which will be much more difficult to repair or bypass in case of a failure.

 

[Roach]

An additionally you don't need electric steering lock which will be much more difficult to repair or bypass in case of a failure.

Several, really solid, points about features that fail. I think the issue for Ineos was it’s a mashup (not the carriage or coach so much) of off the shelf parts which led to inclusion of these features without adhering to their theme. For me, This truck would be more attractive/reliable over the years w/o these gizmos.

 

[Mules]

Just had a similar (or same) problem - starter motor activated, but engine didn't fire. Vehicle had only sat stationary for 10 minutes following a good drive before I attempted ignition.

Following the above advice, took the kids for a 10 min walk and it fired up fine. No errors codes which is a little frustrating, it will be another phantom occurrence that can't be solved more than likely.

 

[Roach]

I'd be curious if somebody that has the problem check to see if it is getting spark. Maybe it can be determined if this is fuel delivery or electrical. The B58's had issues with the crank or cam position sensor, DME relay, or general grounding problems. If it isn't throwing a code then it sounds like it might be the relay (where ever that might be)

 

[Tinerfeño]

If I had to make a guess, the fact that cooling before next start attempt helps may refer to cam sensor. Should raise a code but not necessarily to car's display.

 

[internal]

I also experienced this phenomenon: after several days off-road in Bosnia and Herzegovina, I had to visit a supermarket to top up my beer supplies.
I stood there for maybe 15 minutes, then turned the ignition key, the starter turned, but the engine wouldn't start (diesel). Both batteries are well charged. Luckily I had read about it here in the forum and was able to convince my (annoyed) wife to go for a meal next door.
When we got back, I turned the ignition key and the engine started as if nothing had happened. No more problems since then, but who knows if it won't start after a start/stop at some point?

That is very worrying. I don't want to be away from civilisation and the car just won't start. I will have this checked at the garage, but obviously there is no solution yet.

 

[neuf11]

When we got back, I turned the ignition key and the engine started as if nothing had happened. No more problems since then, but who knows if it won't start after a start/stop at some point?

. . . same issue happens to my wife today.

After questioning my wife she remembered, that she has forgotten during the drive to disengage the start/stop function.

When she arrived at the parking lot, the vehicle goes into automatically in the „stop"-Modus and she put the gear lever in the „P" position. After returning to the car, the Grenadier failed to start. She left and locked the car and went in the supermarket for further purchases.

When I arrived 20 min later and tried starting the engine, everything was fine, the Diesel started immediately.

 

[Eric]

. . . same issue happens to my wife today.

After questioning my wife she remembered, that she has forgotten during the drive to disengage the start/stop function.

When she arrived at the parking lot, the vehicle goes into automatically in the „stop"-Modus and she put the gear lever in the „P" position. After returning to the car, the Grenadier failed to start. She left and locked the car and went in the supermarket for further purchases.

When I arrived 20 min later and tried starting the engine, everything was fine, the Diesel started immediately.

I am impressed with your ability to " questioning my wife". I don't have the courage to do such a thing.

 

[Jonathan]

Ok update, switched off and locked up, walked away from vehicle for approx 10mins, came back and it started perfectly.
Look I love this car but the uncertainties with the vehicle presently are raising deep concerns for us for the purpose it is intended for, ie reliable getting us to and from remote locations safely.
I sincerely hope these issues can be resolved for good by the dealership.

I just had the same problem. After a 10-minute break, the Grenadier wouldn’t start again. I also had red warning lights indicating that someone in the back seat wasn’t buckled up, even though no one was sitting there. Thanks for this post. After reading it, I locked the car, walked away, and waited 10 minutes. After that, the car started without any problems. It’s good that it’s running again, but it leaves an uneasy feeling in case this ever happens in the middle of nowhere.

 

[Grandy]

Also had happened to me trailmaster diesel. Had it at dealership first time it happened at around 4500km and they found no faults. Had happened two times and vehicle now only at 18000km. The 10 min reset works but worried the day it does not work. Seems like fuel supply problem on starting cycle. All fire and no juice! Battery all good.

 

[Ron50]

I had the problem on my petrol wagon (single battery) this morning. I had parked it outside with the alarm activated so I could get an early start without playing musical cars. It is normally parked in the garage without the alarm activated.

I'll mention every detail to assist sleuthing.

I had a few more bags to pack in the front passenger space but pressed the lock button by mistake before pressing unlock.

I had the ignition on for a couple of minutes without starting while I hooked up a couple of GPSs I was testing.

When I attempted to start the engine it didn't leap into life instantly as usual but turned over rapidly without the hint of firing. After a few cycles of cranking I decided to check the battery voltage even though the engine was cranking very fast.

The battery voltage, even after all the cranking, was 12.7 volts. After trying again the engine started normally and did so all day on my trip. It took only a minute or two to check the voltage; nowhere near the 10 minute walk away period.

I'm wondering whether the double locking or the extended ignition on period triggered some sort of extra anti-theft or coils protection function. Having the starter activate without the ignition seems odd though. Maybe there is some service function that requires the motor to turn over without starting.

 

[Ron50]

Still working on figuring out what combination of circumstances caused the problem, I turned to the last resort - consult the manual!

On page 18 it deals with the key/immobiliser functions. What I found interesting was that it states that the unlock button unlocks only the driver's door, not the other doors. Yet all the doors, including the rear split doors unlock with the button.

I opened the passenger door before opening the driver's when the fault occurred for the first time after unlocking the car. As mentioned, I don't usually lock the car when it is garaged so the battery is not run down during long periods of inactivity.

Interestingly, both my Mazdas require their immobilisers to be activated when the cars are not in use so that the batteries don't run down.

I repeated my procedure before the fault occurred as best I could remember it just now to test the door sequence theory but the engine leapt into life as usual. Go figure.

But it's good that nobody has said that the problem has persisted and immobilised the car permanently.

 

[Eric]

Still working on figuring out what combination of circumstances caused the problem, I turned to the last resort - consult the manual!

On page 18 it deals with the key/immobiliser functions. What I found interesting was that it states that the unlock button unlocks only the driver's door, not the other doors. Yet all the doors, including the rear split doors unlock with the button.

I opened the passenger door before opening the driver's when the fault occurred for the first time after unlocking the car. As mentioned, I don't usually lock the car when it is garaged so the battery is not run down during long periods of inactivity.

Interestingly, both my Mazdas require their immobilisers to be activated when the cars are not in use so that the batteries don't run down.

I repeated my procedure before the fault occurred as best I could remember it just now to test the door sequence theory but the engine leapt into life as usual. Go figure.

But it's good that nobody has said that the problem has persisted and immobilised the car permanently.

The page 18 comment is contradicted by the menu options on the infotainment screen. You can set the door unlocking to just driver or all doors. Mine is all doors and I often open rear doors and boot first to load up before getting in myself.

 

[Logsplitter]

The page 18 comment is contradicted by the menu options on the infotainment screen. You can set the door unlocking to just driver or all doors. Mine is all doors and I often open rear doors and boot first to load up before getting in myself.

Depending on where you are the driver door only unlocking is very useful.
One press for driver door and another to open the rest. I have mine configured so that when I get out of the drivers door the other doors stay locked until I unlock them, either by pressing the fob button or unlock button on the drivers door. Also auto lock of all door after one minute being in the vehicle. This came in very handy when a group of guys tried to rob us , whilst stopped at a set of traffic lights in South Africa. Unfortunately we had parked cars on our left, another lane of traffic on our right and one car stopped in front of us. It’s also useful at fuel stations, supermarkets and road junctions etc where opportunists try to gain entry whilst you are stationary

 

[Eric]

Depending on where you are the driver door only unlocking is very useful.
One press for driver door and another to open the rest. I have mine configured so that when I get out of the drivers door the other doors stay locked until I unlock them, either by pressing the fob button or unlock button on the drivers door. Also auto lock of all door after one minute being in the vehicle. This came in very handy when a group of guys tried to rob us , whilst stopped at a set of traffic lights in South Africa. Unfortunately we had parked cars on our left, another lane of traffic on our right and one car stopped in front of us. It’s also useful at fuel stations, supermarkets and road junctions etc where opportunists try to gain entry whilst you are stationary

When I was working and spent time in the Manchester/Liverpool/Warrington area I had my company car locks on those settings. Now retired and living in rural Scotland I just leave it to unlock all doors without drive off auto lock.