Letter to Lynne Calder

[Bayford]

What is this radio thing ya’ll speak of and iPod… is that some that you sleep in?

I have stopped using the term wireless, which is what my mother and father always called it, as my own children roll their eyes and mock me as antediluvian.

 

[C-Mack]

No, I chased her up a couple of weeks ago, they were still working on the manual roll out.
No news on a scan tool. I believe that they are getting on with it though.

Hopefully with the scan tool or software updates TPMS and Service Reset will be address. Changed oil in my 2023 Defender X yesterday and the process to reset the service reminder is to:

1. Unlatch hood
2. Change the oil
3. Sit in vehicle door closed ignition on
4. Step on Brake and Accelerator pedal fully
5. System resets and acknowledges on the instrument panel
6. Turn of ignition and get on with your life (less than 30 seconds to complete the service reset)

Likely process for my Grenadier:

1. Drive for 7 months with service reminder flashing at you because the reminder was set to vehicle production date not date vehicle was purchased brand new
2. Schedule with dealer weeks out
3. Take a day off work
4. Drive 2 hours to dealer
5. Windshield gets chipped on the way to dealer
6. Wait at dealer for several hours (or eat at a crappy fast food restaurant nearby and end up with stomach pains and tons of regret)
7. Vehicle gets sorted then find out more trips to back to dealer are needed due to door button recall, and in my case, another days worth of software updates which won’t address the service reset or TPMS issues both of which require more dealer visits to deal with
8. Get vehicle back and prepare for drive home but first a visit to the loo to deal with the lunch distress
9. Drive back 3 hours now you are dealing with rush hour traffic
10. Receive another chip and crack to the windshield necessitating another trip back to the dealer
11. Try to catch up on voicemail and emails from missed day from work
12. Get home exhausted and frustrated that you have to repeat the process for the same issues and additional hassle for being ambitious enough to service and change your own oil (time required 8+ hours, 200 miles of driving, tank of fuel, stress, missed day of income, bottle of Pepto, new pair of underpants due to poisonous lunch and $2,000 broken windshield)

Not complaining as I love my Grenadier but just drawing a light hearted comparison between the two for maintenance.

 

[CRH]

Hopefully with the scan tool or software updates TPMS and Service Reset will be address. Changed oil in my 2023 Defender X yesterday and the process to reset the service reminder is to:

1. Unlatch hood
2. Change the oil
3. Sit in vehicle door closed ignition on
4. Step on Brake and Accelerator pedal fully
5. System resets and acknowledges on the instrument panel
6. Turn of ignition and get on with your life (less than 30 seconds to complete the service reset)

Likely process for my Grenadier:

1. Drive for 7 months with service reminder flashing at you because the reminder was set to vehicle production date not date vehicle was purchased brand new
2. Schedule with dealer weeks out
3. Take a day off work
4. Drive 2 hours to dealer
5. Windshield gets chipped on the way to dealer
6. Wait at dealer for several hours (or eat at a crappy fast food restaurant nearby and end up with stomach pains and tons of regret)
7. Vehicle gets sorted then find out more trips to back to dealer are needed due to door button recall, and in my case, another days worth of software updates which won’t address the service reset or TPMS issues both of which require more dealer visits to deal with
8. Get vehicle back and prepare for drive home but first a visit to the loo to deal with the lunch distress
9. Drive back 3 hours now you are dealing with rush hour traffic
10. Receive another chip and crack to the windshield necessitating another trip back to the dealer
11. Try to catch up on voicemail and emails from missed day from work
12. Get home exhausted and frustrated that you have to repeat the process for the same issues and additional hassle for being ambitious enough to service and change your own oil (time required 8+ hours, 200 miles of driving, tank of fuel, stress, missed day of income, bottle of Pepto, new pair of underpants due to poisonous lunch and $2,000 broken windshield)

Not complaining as I love my Grenadier but just drawing a light hearted comparison between the two for maintenance.

Sounds about the same for either vehicle, don't know what you are moaning about, but you also get the added benefit of loosing a few pounds in weight with your Grenadier process. Sitting in the LR all smug that it was quick & easy isn't achieving anything

 

[Baron von Teuchter]

I think that rightly or wrongly, like a lot of modern low-volume cars, they assume the owner will drive the audio content from their phone - either music or DAB or audiobooks or whatever. McLaren and Morgan are the same. It’s what I do, I’ve never tried using the radio but stream DAB through my phone and CarPlay. It works very well

 

[C-Mack]

Sounds about the same for either vehicle, don't know what you are moaning about, but you also get the added benefit of loosing a few pounds in weight with your Grenadier process. Sitting in the LR all smug that it was quick & easy isn't achieving anything

Not sitting smug in either vehicle, as I agree, a certain amount of masochism is to be experienced dealing with both brands but it’s the challenges which keeps life interesting.

 

[ryanjl]

Hopefully with the scan tool or software updates TPMS and Service Reset will be address. Changed oil in my 2023 Defender X yesterday and the process to reset the service reminder is to:

1. Unlatch hood
2. Change the oil
3. Sit in vehicle door closed ignition on
4. Step on Brake and Accelerator pedal fully
5. System resets and acknowledges on the instrument panel
6. Turn of ignition and get on with your life (less than 30 seconds to complete the service reset)

Likely process for my Grenadier:

1. Drive for 7 months with service reminder flashing at you because the reminder was set to vehicle production date not date vehicle was purchased brand new
2. Schedule with dealer weeks out
3. Take a day off work
4. Drive 2 hours to dealer
5. Windshield gets chipped on the way to dealer
6. Wait at dealer for several hours (or eat at a crappy fast food restaurant nearby and end up with stomach pains and tons of regret)
7. Vehicle gets sorted then find out more trips to back to dealer are needed due to door button recall, and in my case, another days worth of software updates which won’t address the service reset or TPMS issues both of which require more dealer visits to deal with
8. Get vehicle back and prepare for drive home but first a visit to the loo to deal with the lunch distress
9. Drive back 3 hours now you are dealing with rush hour traffic
10. Receive another chip and crack to the windshield necessitating another trip back to the dealer
11. Try to catch up on voicemail and emails from missed day from work
12. Get home exhausted and frustrated that you have to repeat the process for the same issues and additional hassle for being ambitious enough to service and change your own oil (time required 8+ hours, 200 miles of driving, tank of fuel, stress, missed day of income, bottle of Pepto, new pair of underpants due to poisonous lunch and $2,000 broken windshield)

Not complaining as I love my Grenadier but just drawing a light hearted comparison between the two for maintenance.

With Land Rover, until model year 2014-ish there was not a way to reset the service indicator without the use of an external tool or taking it to the dealer.

An aftermarket company named GAP Diagnostic came out with an OBD plugin it called the "IID Tool." GAP had more or less cracked the Land Rover computer code and, using the IID Tool, you could do pretty much anything the dealer could do. Reset service indicators, change the air suspension's normal ride height, program new keyfobs, update the ECU to acknowledge factory addons that the vehicle's owner installed themselves (such as swapping halogen headlight housings to factory xenon headlight housings), recalibrate the transmission, recalibrate the speedometer after adding larger tires, etc.

Maybe that's what needs to happen with the Ineos vehicles.

 

[Tom109]

And pre-2000 Rovers could be reset by pushing a paper clip through the label on the 12v Service relay.

 

[Tazzieman]

I have stopped using the term wireless, which is what my mother and father always called it, as my own children roll their eyes and mock me as antediluvian.

Antediluvian is a great state to be living in. The LOLs you get from trolling the younger gens make it very worthwhile.
Even if you cop the Gen Z stare that is on trend. Give them the for the full trigger effect

 

[Blackwolf]

The entire "radio" is random in operation and you want a discontinued product from the turn of the century to work smoothly. At some level everyone here that bought a truck is a dreamer, but brother, you need help.

A little harsh, I think.

Given that Ineos has given us the facility to plug a USB stick into the thing and play music from it, I don't think it is unreasonable to expect it to work. If the facility wasn't there at all it would be less irritating than having it but implemented in a way that makes it functionally unusable. It's the sort of thing I have come to expect from Land-Rover but is something I'd hoped Ineos would not perpetuate.

 

[CRH]

A little harsh, I think.

Given that Ineos has given us the facility to plug a USB stick into the thing and play music from it, I don't think it is unreasonable to expect it to work. If the facility wasn't there at all it would be less irritating than having it but implemented in a way that makes it functionally unusable. It's the sort of thing I have come to expect from Land-Rover but is something I'd hoped Ineos would not perpetuate.

The whole idea was from a British person, so what do you expect

 

[Tazzieman]

A little harsh, I think.

Given that Ineos has given us the facility to plug a USB stick into the thing and play music from it, I don't think it is unreasonable to expect it to work. If the facility wasn't there at all it would be less irritating than having it but implemented in a way that makes it functionally unusable. It's the sort of thing I have come to expect from Land-Rover but is something I'd hoped Ineos would not perpetuate.

I've got a portable bluetooth cd player that plugs into that USB power outlet.
Easier than digitising hundreds of cd's
And you have to admit it has slight retro vibes (even though I remember when cd players were futuristic)

 

[CRH]

I've got a portable bluetooth cd player that plugs into that USB power outlet.
Easier than digitising hundreds of cd's
And you have to admit it has slight retro vibes (even though I remember when cd players were futuristic)

you need to find one of those in-car record players, would be amazing to listen to off road

 

[Tom109]

Harsh 3/2 downshift - Lynne are you listening? Get a solution so your dealers can address this!!

Americas: Transmission Programming and clunking​

 

[Tazzieman]

you need to find one of those in-car record players, would be amazing to listen to off road

For when I stop for a coffee break on the track and whilst waiting for the fire to heat my water for instant coffee.
Vinyl Machine

Stop on one track...select another

 

[CRH]

For when I stop for a coffee break on the track and whilst waiting for the fire to heat my water for instant coffee.
Vinyl Machine

Stop on one track...select another

Wow, I didn't know that existed, only thinking of the massive old things from the 50's?

 

[Tazzieman]

Wow, I didn't know that existed, only thinking of the massive old things from the 50's?

John Lennon enjoyed a filet mignon , and being a Benz nerd , I know he enjoyed a Philips Mignon!

 

[Krabby]

you need to find one of those in-car record players, would be amazing to listen to off road

Interestingly enough, this is discussed in the next episode of the podcast we recorded last week.

 

[jert]

Hi Tom,

just read the letter from Lynn again which you shared June 3rd and I have to say that I was really optimistic
when we got her response.
6 weeks later, where are we ?
What about "better communication should be the easy point" or "having live Q&A sessions" ?

I see this thread drifting in different directions like "bigger cup holders" or "apple car play".
Why are we doing this ?

I x fingers you get some meaningful feedback from IA soon but I don't believe in it anymore.

Thanks again for all your good work.

Cheers,
Gerd

 

[Cheshire cat]

Not sitting smug in either vehicle, as I agree, a certain amount of masochism is to be experienced dealing with both brands but it’s the challenges which keeps life interesting.

Hi C-Mack
The 'Smug' comment was meant in the dry form, often used in British humour.

 

[C-Mack]

Hi C-Mack
The 'Smug' comment was meant in the dry form, often used in British humour.

I guess as an expat I’ve lived too long in the states now and lost my smug filter? Never mind as with the current state of US immigration craziness I’ll be sent packing before long anyway. I miss decent bread, beer and tea so maybe not such a bad thing.